From: owner-ane@ (ANE Digest) To: ane-digest Subject: ANE Digest V2000 #226 Reply-To: Sender: owner-ane@ Errors-To: owner-ane@ Precedence: bulk ANE Digest Tuesday, August 8 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 226 Re: ane Thebes and the ark of Noe ane Perizzites Re: ane Perizzites ane New address for PAPY-List ane Khirbet Birzeit Excavations [none] ane shadow Re: ane Perizzites ane Arawna/Ornan ane Re: Bronze Age civilization in Arabia ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 11:24:00 +0300 (IDT) From: chaim cohen Subject: Re: ane Thebes and the ark of Noe Dear Mata, Therese and List Members, A further lexical amplification on the lexical amplification below: The second edition of Koehler-Baumgartner was very, very problematic in its own time. It certainly should not be used any more (except for historical purposes like BDB which is far preferable semantically), having been superseded by the third edition known as HALAT (the original German edition 1967-1990 for the first four volumes relating to BH) and its slightly revised English translation HALOT (1994-1999 again referring to the first four volumes dealing with BH). Both HALAT and HALOT (1990 and 1999 respectively) totally repudiate the etymology of KBL (partially reproduced by Mata below). Let me add that one of the main sources cited by both HALAT and HALOT regarding this repudiation is W. H. Schmidt, EXODUS 1,1-6,30 which is in the series Biblische Kommentar (Neukirchen-Vluyn, 1988), pp. 68-69. There the main reference is my article, C. Cohen, "Hebrew TBH: Proposed Etymologies," THE JOURNAL OF THE ANCIENT NEAR EASTERN SOCIETY (JANES) 4/1 (1972), pp. 36-51 (esp. 39-41). I recommend this article to anyone who seriously wishes to study the etymology of this term. All the best, Chaim Cohen On Mon, 24 Jul 2000, mata kimasitayo wrote: > > just a lexical amplification: > > tEbAh "ark", in BDB (p 1061, col 2) is > "properly >>chest, box<<. they add: > "probably egyptian loan-word from > Tbt = chest, coffin."cf. KB (p 1017 > col 1) where is added DbA.t = Wörterbuch > 5, 561; 5, 261 > > BDB =brown,driver, briggs, *a hebrew and > english lexicon of the old testament ...* > (oxford: 1966); KB = koehler, baumgartner, > *lexicon in veteris testamenti libros* > (leiden: 1958); W\366rterbuch = erman, > grapow, *W\366rterbuch der ägyptischen > Sprache > > mata > > On Mon, 24 Jul 2000, Thérèse Ghembaza wrote: > > > Dear list members, > > > > Recently I read that the semitic word "tebah" means for ark, box. So it > > could be at the origin of the greek name of the Egyptian Ouaset, taking in > > account the strong rainy storm which produced a great inundation in the > > Theban aera under the reign of Ahmose. So the square ark of the > > Atrahasis-Gilgamesh (Gu-la Kames ?) story could be a square building > > (pyramid ?) or a square mountain in the Thebes area. > > Thérèse Ghembaza > > Paris, France > > > > > > > mata kimasitayo > slreview@lear.ucs.indiana.edu > > > -=+-=+-=+-=+-=+-=+-=+-=+-=+-=+-=+-=+-=+ > > >> nemo cum sarcinis enatat << > > -- seneca (epist. mor., xxii, par 12) > > -=+-=+-=+-=+-=+-=+-=+-=+-=+-=+-=+-=+-=+ > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 11:39:59 +0200 From: "Bjarte Kaldhol" Subject: ane Perizzites Dear listmembers, E. Adams wrote: "Perhaps the Hurrian instances in the PN's and the seeming IE PN's in the LBA Amarna letters from Palestine actually represent the mysterious Perizzites, the two groups linked in some sort of IE-dominated symbiosis as in Mitanni?" Pirizzi (=Firizzi) is regarded as a Hurrian personal name by M. Giorgieri in SMEA 41, p. 81. This name, from EA 27 and 28, is analyzed as fir=i=ssi, made from the root fir-, "to release", "set free", cp. Hurrian Firadi, "a free man", "a nobleman", another name made from the same root. The element - -(i)zzi is found also in Agizzi, the lord of Qatna, (EA 52-55 and 57), but its real meaning is not known. Best wishes, Bjarte Kaldhol ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 23:05:29 +1000 From: "George Athas" Subject: Re: ane Perizzites Why can't "Perizzite" simply mean "rural peasant", derived from the Hebrew word for an unwalled village or hamlet (root PRZ)? Best regards, GEORGE ATHAS - - Anglican Chaplaincy, UNSW; - - Southern Cross College, Sydney, Australia ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Tel Dan Inscription Website http://members.xoom.com/gathas/teldan.htm ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 09:03:27 -0500 From: "Charles E. Jones" Subject: ane New address for PAPY-List From: Adam Bülow-Jacobsen Dear Subscribers to PAPY, After seven years PAPY changes address. COCO, the server of the Faculty of Arts in Copenhagen is being pensioned off, although she will always be young and beautiful to me, and her successor prefers a slightly different and more modern list-administration. The old address will continue to function a while yet, but the new address is papy@listserv.hum.ku.dk to which messages should be sent for distribution. Commands for joining or leaving the list remain the same: write to listserv@listserv.hum.ku.dk subscribe papy or (to leave): signoff papy As a novelty you can now also access listerv by a browser http://listserv.hum.ku.dk which allows you to join, leave, or change your address. There is now also an archive function, but nothing is archived in it yet. I hope all this will work as smoothely as it has in the past and wish you all a good vacation. Adam Bulow-Jacobsen (listowner) Dept. of Greek and Latin University of Copenhagen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 09:03:19 -0500 From: "Charles E. Jones" Subject: ane Khirbet Birzeit Excavations From: khaled nashef Khirbet Birzeit Excavations The fourth season of excavations conducted at Khirbet Birzeit (July 17 to August 6) has been concluded. The excavation yielded further evidence of the Mamluk and early Ottoman settlement related to the free-standing structure at the Khirbet. Rural architectural remains extending to the east of the building were uncovered. They complement the structures already uncovered in 1996 and 1999. As mentioned in previous reports, the free-standing building is constructed on extensive industrial installations cut in the bed-rock from the late Byzantine and early Umayyad periods. The installations are related to a settlement, which has been partly uncovered in the 1999 season beneath the Mamluk remains. Also in this season, further architectural units of the same period appeared. The Byzantine and early Umayyad structures are part of a complex comprising several small rooms in a ground floor. In the previous season, a silo from the Hellenistic period, founded on bed-rock, has been discov! ered. A similar picture has appeared from the 2000's excavation season: Again, there are some walls of a date earlier than the Byzantine period, founded on bed-rock. The precise date of this structure (Hellenistic period or earlier) has still to be determined. The fourth season of excavation at Khirbet Birzeit is a pioneering joint project between the Palestinian Institute of Archaeology of Birzeit University (Palestine) and the Department of Old Testament Studies and Biblical Archaeology of Mainz University (Germany). Project directors are: Prof. Khaled Nashef (Birzeit University) and Prof. Wolfgang Zwickel (Mainz University). Field directors are: Mr. Omar Abed-Rabu and Mr. Matthias Flender. 23 Palestinian and 3 German students participated in the excavation. The excavation represents the first joint archaeological venture between Palestine and Germany. For more details on the excavations at Khirbet Birzeit, see Journal of Palestinian Archaeology (JPA) I/1 (January 2000). JPA I/2 (July 2000) is in press. It contains, among others, a preliminary report of the 1999 season, in addition to a pottery report. JPA II/1 (January 2001) is in preparation. Khaled Nashef: nashef@p-ol.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 09:04:09 -0500 From: Tony Wilkinson Subject: [none] - --============_-1246465444==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Please note that in the program for the ASOR 2000 meetings I am stated to be presenting a talk on "Survey of Aperlae in Lycia: the Season of 2000". This seems to be a mistake (at least I hope it is); instead I will present a talk as originally accepted: Thursday 16th November 2000 8.30- 8.55 am ! Neely The Archaeological Context for the Development of the State in Southern Arabia. The relatively sudden appearance of the Sabaean state has always presented a mystery to scholars, in part because it appears to develop out of a vacuum. Here I will present the evidence for densely occupied highlands during the Bronze Age, and will suggest how the location of the state switched from lowland to highland through time. Evidence is based on recent surveys and excavations in highland Yemen which provide evidence for a dense population of towns and villages in the third, second and first millennium BC. These high levels of population provide a foundation for the Himyarite state that eventually developed to control the landscape from the very highest mountain ridge in the highlands. Tony J. Wilkinson, The Oriental Institute, 1155 east 58th Street, Chicago IL 60637 T.J.Wilkinson, The Oriental Institute, 1155 East 58th Street, Chicago, IL 60637 773-702-9552 Fax: 773-702-9853 t-wilkinson@uchicago.edu - --============_-1246465444==_ma============ Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Please note that in the program for the ASOR 2000 meetings I am stated to be presenting a talk on "Survey of Aperlae in Lycia: the Season of 2000". This seems to be a mistake (at least I hope it is); instead I will present a talk as originally accepted: Thursday 16th November 2000 8.30- 8.55 am ! Neely=20 TimesThe Archaeological Context for the Development of the State in Southern Arabia. TimesThe relatively sudden appearance of the Sabaean state has always presented a mystery to scholars, in part because it appears to develop out of a vacuum. Here I will present the evidence for densely occupied highlands during the Bronze Age, and will suggest how the location of the state switched from lowland to highland through time. Evidence is based on recent surveys and excavations in highland Yemen which provide evidence for a dense population of towns and villages in the third, second and first millennium BC. These high levels of population provide a foundation for the Himyarite state that eventually developed to control the landscape from the very highest mountain ridge in the highlands. Tony J. Wilkinson, The Oriental Institute, 1155 east 58th Street, Chicago IL 60637 T.J.Wilkinson, The Oriental Institute, 1155 East 58th Street, Chicago, IL 60637 773-702-9552 =46ax: 773-702-9853 t-wilkinson@uchicago.edu - --============_-1246465444==_ma============-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 07:34:47 -0700 From: "Leo Bores" Subject: ane shadow I have rec'd some helpful msgs but still not what I'm looking for. Basically I need a copy of a picture of a tomb wall showing the shadow as part of the inscription. I'm not given to hallucination - but I'm beginning to doubt myself here. The scene was so unusual that it is burned into my mind. I've seen copies of BOD wherein the Ba is shown coming back to the deceased who is shown as a silouhette, but what I'm looking for is depicted on a tomb wall and the Ba is not shown; just the subject and immediately behind him his shadow. Thx again. Meddle not in the affairs of dragons, For thou art crunchy, And go well with ketchup. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 20:58:38 +0200 From: Banyai@t-online.de (Banyai Michael) Subject: Re: ane Perizzites George Athas wrote: > Why can't "Perizzite" simply mean "rural peasant", derived from the Hebrew > word for an > unwalled village or hamlet (root PRZ)? It surely does, at least, I personally beleave so. There is at least an important argument in support of this reading. Since Perizzite is probably just the older term for the later Peleset/Pereset it would be interesting to show, that their supposed neighbours, the Awites, were dwelling according to Deut.2,23-24, in single villages by Gaza. But their name seemed to have been derived too from the Hebrew Hawot, meaning village such as in Hawot Jair. The names are probably not only synonims but stay for one and the same people: Hawites/Awites and Perizzites/Pereset/Peleset north and south of Gaza. BTW seeing the degree of liberality by which the semites in Egypt during the 12-th, 13-th Dyn. wore alternating Egyptian or Semitic names within the same familly, I wouldn´t label a person with hurritic name, a Hurrian. The joke went as follows: " Why has changed Ionescu his name to Popescu? Because it sounds better Popescu former Ionescu as Ionescu former Isac." Best regards, Michael Bányai ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 03:39:14 +0200 From: "Bjarte Kaldhol" Subject: ane Arawna/Ornan Dear listmembers, Guenter Stienecke's arguments for regarding Arawna as the "king of Shalem" appear to be: 1. Arawna, the Jebusite, seems to have been someone treated with due respect. 2. Moreover, this purchase had been initiated by YHWH himself with the help of a prophet (Gad)... 3. Now YHWH needed a place to rest and liked Zion... 4. and he seemed to have liked the Jebusites, too. 5. They [the Jebusites] are regarded as the autochtonous and continuous inhabitants of Jerusalem... and their status was special long until after David's takeover... 6. YHWH's choice fell on Arawna's "threshing place" not because there was a plot of land available, but because it was the sacred mount of Jebusite cultic tradition. The temple of YHWH and Arawna's "threshing place" were a local identity ("Lokalidentität") as K. Rupprecht put it. 7. David took over the Jebusite sacred place and with it its "Kultbetrieb" (cultic staff and organization), providing for a new niche of YHWH's presence. Stienecke's conclusion is: "That doesn't make Arawna a former king of Jerusalem, I admit, but it's just a shade away." I would say this is not only "a shade away", but rather irrelevant statements. Are there other, non-Biblical texts where Arawna is mentioned? To 4.: If YHWH liked the Jebusites, why does he threaten to exterminate them in Ex. 23:23? Why does YHWH order Moses not to show them mercy in Deut. 7:2? To 5.: If the Jebusites were autochthonous (how do we know???), they would have been neither Hurrians nor Hittites, but most probably Semitic speakers, since Hurrians and Hittites arrived late in this area - after the middle of the second millennium, whereas an "autochthonous" people must have lived in Jerusalem from the origins (c. 2000 BC?). In Joshua 10, by the way, the king of Jerusalem is called an Amorite; he was one of the five Amorite kings. To 6.: How do we know that the threshing place was "the sacred mount of Jebusite cult tradition"? This is not what the Bible says. Are there better sources? Best wishes, Bjarte Kaldhol ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 14:03:44 +1300 From: B.E.Colless@massey.ac.nz Subject: ane Re: Bronze Age civilization in Arabia Tony, I am glad this error has been perpetrated against you. I am interested in Lykia, but your real subject has got me thinking. My burning question relates to the transmission of the West Semitic alphabet to Arabia. It is obvious that it was borrowed, apparently even in the Bronze Age; but evidence for this is lacking. Can we hope to find some early writing in these Bronze Age towns? Are they buried under sand, in the lowlands? Brian Colless Massey University, New Zealand >Please note that in the program for the ASOR 2000 meetings I am stated to >be presenting a talk on "Survey of Aperlae in Lycia: the Season of 2000". >This seems to be a mistake (at least I hope it is); instead I will present >a talk as originally accepted: > >Thursday 16th November 2000 >8.30- 8.55 am ! >Neely > >The Archaeological Context for the Development of the State in Southern >Arabia. > > >The relatively sudden appearance of the Sabaean state has always presented >a mystery to scholars, in part because it appears to develop out of a >vacuum. Here I will present the evidence for densely occupied highlands >during the Bronze Age, and will suggest how the location of the state >switched from lowland to highland through time. Evidence is based on >recent surveys and excavations in highland Yemen which provide evidence >for a dense population of towns and villages in the third, second and >first millennium BC. These high levels of population provide a foundation >for the Himyarite state that eventually developed to control the landscape >from the very highest mountain ridge in the highlands. > >Tony J. Wilkinson, >The Oriental Institute, >1155 east 58th Street, >Chicago IL 60637 >T.J.Wilkinson, >The Oriental Institute, >1155 East 58th Street, >Chicago, IL 60637 >773-702-9552 >Fax: 773-702-9853 >t-wilkinson@uchicago.edu ------------------------------ End of ANE Digest V2000 #226 **************************** Back issues are available on the Oriental Institute World-Wide Web (WWW) site at: http://oi.uchicago.edu/OI/ANE/OI_ANE.html