From: owner-ane@ (ANE Digest) To: ane-digest Subject: ANE Digest V1998 #45 Reply-To: Sender: owner-ane@ Errors-To: owner-ane@ Precedence: bulk ANE Digest Sunday, February 15 1998 Volume 1998 : Number 045 ane about Iraq ane The Ancient World on Television Re: ane Iraq Re: ane Hrozny's work Re: ane about Iraq ane: e-mail address request Re: ane Enmerkar ane Jobs & People Finder Service Re: ane Hrozny's work Re: ane Iraq Re: ane Enmerkar Re: ane Hrozny's work Re: ane Enmerkar ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 10:32:06 +0100 From: nicola laneri Subject: ane about Iraq >Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 10:26:55 >To: ervin-tr@COGSCI.Berkeley.EDU >From: nicola laneri >Subject: about Iraq > >Dear MRs. Ervin, > Why don't you ask your Fascist president Clinton the reason of this bombing? Is becauese of his sexual relationship? and why the archaeologists are not more interested in the persons instead of the archeaoligist? Please answer to all these questions before, then you could ask about the ..... archaeological sites!!!!!!!!!! > >A scream against the establishment > >Nicola >Rome > Nicola Laneri (Archeotechné s.r.l.) and Erika Forte Vicolo della Palomba 7 00186 Rome Italy tel.\fax ++39 6 6896589 Email: nl69@forobit.it ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 19:17:13 -0500 From: David Meadows Subject: ane The Ancient World on Television The Ancient World on Television (North America) February 9 - 15 Compiled from Various Sources (All times Eastern) _____________________________________________________________________ Next Installment on or about February 9 *****Monday, February 9 8.00 p.m HISTU In Search of History Man in the Iron Mask Not really ancient world, but it's a slow week ... a look for the reasons why Louis XIV sentenced a man to be imprisoned for 34 years and kept his identity secret. *****Tuesday, February 10 8.00 p.m HISTU In Search of History The Knights Templar Again, not really ancient world, but I'm a fan (but not a believer) of all the conspiracy theories which revolve around the Knights Templar, so this (and a couple other similar programmes) usually get mentioned (in case you were wondering). *****Wednesday, February 11 10.00 p.m A&E Foot Soldier The Vikings The reenactment-fest continues, with the 'hook' being the question whether the Vikings took drugs before going into battle. *****Thursday, February 12 8.00 p.m HISTU In Search of History The Bloody History of Human Sacrifice Plenty of lurid details in this one ... the title says it all. *****Friday, February 13 8.00 p.m HISTU In Search of History Arabian Nights A look at the origins of the tales credited to Sheherazade. 9.00 p.m. HISTU Great Romances Looking for someone to compare your current beau or belle to on Valentine's day (or to put a little added pressure on them)? Five big romances are considered here, including Tony and Cleo, Nap and Joe, Nick and Alex, Eddie and Wally, Liz and Dick. *****Saturday, February 14 6.00 p.m. A&E Foot Soldier The Vikings The pride of Minnesota ... er, no (football withdrawal ... sorry) ... repeat of Wednesday's programme. 7.00 p.m. A&E Mysteries of the Bible Paul the Apostle The story of Paul, his conversion, and subsequent shaping of Christianity *****Sunday, February 15 4.00 p.m. A&E Mysteries of the Bible Job: The Devil's Test Various interpretations of the tale of Job 7.00 p.m. A&E Ancient Mysteries® Curse of the Goddess Pele The tales and rituals associated with one of the more explosive-tempered goddesses of Hawaii *** What's New at The Atrium*** Plenty! Check us out! http://web.idirect.com/~atrium *** Want to learn Latin at your own pace? Check out Latin in the Atrium ... a real course, with a real instructor, at a very modest price http://web.idirect.com/~atrium/learnlatin.html *** Looking for a Latin Arial TrueType font with macrons and breves (and various roman numerals)? Check out: http://web.idirect.com/~atrium/download.html ____________________________________________________________________ Copyright (c) 1998 David Meadows. Feel free to distribute these listings via email to your pals, students, teachers, etc., but please include this copyright notice. Please do not post these listings to your website, but rather make a link to: http://web.idirect.com/~atrium/awotv.html The email version goes out Sunday evening; the web version goes up Monday morning (as a general rule) Thanks! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 08:11:23 -0500 From: "Peter T. Daniels" Subject: Re: ane Iraq Susan Ervin-Tripp wrote: > > Have any organizations of archeologists conveyed to > President Clinton and Secretary Cohen > which sites should be avoided in the event of the bombing > of Iraq because of risk of irreparable harm to archeological treasures? > > During World War 2 it was the presence in the cabinet of > someone who knew Kyoto which removed it from the > target list for bombing. > > And we actually communicated with the Germans during that > war to coordinate protection of art sites. > Exactly this question was raised at the 1991 Business Meeting of the American Oriental Society in Berkeley. A resolution that had been passed unanimously by the Middle West Branch, urging that caution be exercised in the anticipated Gulf War, was rejected by the AOS Board and reviled by a considerable majority during the meeting itself (after the end of the bombing). The "discussion" was not handled in a parliamentary manner; the President of the Society, who made no secret of his opinion on the matter, did not relinquish the chair and did not permit balanced debate. - -- Peter T. Daniels grammatim@worldnet.att.net ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 08:34:56 -0500 From: "Peter T. Daniels" Subject: Re: ane Hrozny's work Bonnie L Johnston wrote: > > I've come across a book by Bedrich Hrozny, called "Ancient History of > Western Asia, India and Crete", and am wondering -- how this book is > generally regarded in academia? Particularly, his claims to have > translated the Indus Valley script of Mohenjo Daro and Harappa, and to > have identified several Prot-Indian deities? Is his scholarship generally > considered to be sound? An integral part of Hrozny's late claims (your book may be a translation of his monograph-sized contributions to Archiv Orientalni from ca. 1942-1944) was his decipherment of Linear B along with all the other pictographic scripts of the Old World. Since a few years later Michael Ventris achieved the actual decipherment of Linear B, it was then clear that Hrozny's rather unlikely suggestion was not valid. His Indus "decipherment" is discussed in G. L. Possehl, *Indus Age: The Writing System* (Penn, 1996), 106-7. His interpretation of Hittite is in "Die Loesung des hethetischen Problems," MDOG 56 (1915 December): 17-50. (Not "decipherment," because it didn't involve an unknown script.) - -- Peter T. Daniels grammatim@worldnet.att.net ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 10:02:23 -0500 From: Eliot Braun Subject: Re: ane about Iraq nicola laneri wrote: > > >Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 10:26:55 > >To: ervin-tr@COGSCI.Berkeley.EDU > >From: nicola laneri > >Subject: about Iraq > > > >Dear MRs. Ervin, > > Why don't you ask your Fascist president Clinton the reason of this > bombing? Is becauese of his sexual relationship? and why the archaeologists > are not more interested in the persons instead of the archeaoligist? Please > answer to all these questions before, then you could ask about the ..... > archaeological sites!!!!!!!!!! > > > >A scream against the establishment > > > >Nicola > >Rome > > > Nicola Laneri (Archeotechné s.r.l.) and Erika Forte > Vicolo della Palomba 7 > 00186 Rome Italy > tel.\fax ++39 6 6896589 > Email: nl69@forobit.it I was under the impression that this list was monitored and not to be used for flaming. I am really sorry that this was posted. Politics do not belong on this list. - -- Eliot Braun, Ph. D, Sr. Research Archaeologist Israel Antiquities Authority (Temporarily On Leave) 8154 Inverness Ridge Rd., Potomac Md. 20854 email: febraun@bellatlantic.net or email: febraun@juno.com Tel. (301) 299 0289 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 11:11:35 -0500 (EST) From: Lisbeth Fried Subject: ane: e-mail address request Does Tikvah Frymer-Kensky have an e-mail address? Can anyone tell me what it is? Thanks, Liz Lisbeth S. Fried Dept. of Hebrew and Judaic Studies New York University lizfried@umich.edu lqf9256@is3.nyu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 19:39:47 +0200 (IST) From: chaim cohen Subject: Re: ane Enmerkar On Fri, 13 Feb 1998, Jim West wrote: > Would someone be so kind as to tell me where I can find the Sumerian > "Enmerkar and the Lord of Aratta" either online or in print? > > Thanks, > > Jim > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Jim West, ThD > Adjunct Professor of Bible > Quartz Hill School of Theology > > jwest@highland.net > Dear Jim, The latest English translation is undoubtedly by T. Jacobsen in W. W. Hallo et al., THE CONTEXT OF SCRIPTURE - VOLUME 1 (E. J. Brill: Leiden, 1997), 547-550. This is a translation of only lines 135-155 and 498-577, while Jacobsen's full translation of the entire text may be found in T. Jacobsen, THE HARPS THAT ONCE... (New Haven, 1987), 275-319. Note also the important article by T. Jacobsen, "The Spell of Nudimmud," SHA'AREI TALMON [=S. Talmon FS] (Winona Lake: 1992), 403-416 with full bibliography regarding this text in general and full textual analysis of lines 133-157, 205-208. All the best, Chaim Cohen ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 18:23:45 +0000 From: "Christine Ivory" Subject: ane Jobs & People Finder Service - ---ANNOUNCING A NEW SERVICE FOR ARCHAEOLOGISTS--- *****Archaiologia "Jobs and People Finder"***** http://web.onyxnet.co.uk/Christine.Ivory-onyxnet.co.uk/jobpeop.htm For everyone out there involved in archaeology - - - looking for jobs and contracts (e.g. volunteer places on digs, teaching posts etc.) - - needing staff for a project or a permanent position (job and project vacancies) - - requiring specialist services (e.g. Geophysical surveying, Archaeological Illustration etc.) These pages are intended to help People and Projects find each other. To get your personal, project or specialist service details onto the pages, Register now. The service is free of charge until the end of February, after which a small admin charge will be levied. ARCHAIOLOGIA Limited http://web.onyxnet.co.uk/Christine.Ivory-onyxnet.co.uk/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 98 20:13:09 +0100 From: Giuseppe Del Monte Subject: Re: ane Hrozny's work Dear Bonnie L Johnston, Allen Adler and Peter T. Daniels, to the memory of Bedrich/Friedrich Hrozny I would like to recall his valuable contributions in the thirties, together with T. Bossert, E. Forrer, I.J. Gelb and Piero Meriggi, to the decipherment of the 'Hittite' hieroglyphic writing. And no one can take that away from him. Greetings, ============ Prof. Dr. Giuseppe del Monte Cattedra di Storia del Vicino Oriente antico Dpt. Scienze storiche del mondo antico Università di Pisa via Galvani 1 - I-56100 Pisa Fax 39-050-500668 - E-mail delmonte@lunet.it ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 15:19:41 EST From: FucciXXV@aol.com Subject: Re: ane Iraq In a message dated 98-02-14 09:20:34 EST, Peter T. Daniels writes: >Exactly this question was raised at the 1991 Business Meeting >of the American Oriental Society in Berkeley. A resolution that had >been passed unanimously by the Middle West Branch, urging that >caution be exercised in the anticipated Gulf War.... I almost fear that such resolutions have the potential to bring the sites in question into greater danger. Given Saddam's tendency in the past to use tactics like moving POWs and civilians into close proximity with key military targets, raising his perception of hesitation on the part of his enemies to bomb archaelogical sites can only increase the likelihood that he will move the sort of functions his enemies want to bomb into greater proximity with those sites. By the way, although the tone of her posting was somewhat immature, Nicola Laneri's question "and why the archaeologists are not more interested in the persons instead of the archeaoligist?" does raise a valid topic of discussion. I know I've read about a site which can't be adequately excavated because there's a town on top of it and found myself irritated that these damned people can't find anywhere to live besides a spot which I would like to see archaeologists dig up and write about. Is preserving a site worth a life, for example? More than one life? How many? Whose? When you're talking about altering military strategy based on archaeological priorities, value decisions like these are implicit somewhere deep in the mix. Jim Thorn Chicago, IL ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 23:16:14 -0500 From: "Peter T. Daniels" Subject: Re: ane Enmerkar chaim cohen wrote: > > The latest English translation [of Enmerkar and the Lord of Aratta] is undoubtedly by T. Jacobsen in W. W. > Hallo et al., THE CONTEXT OF SCRIPTURE - VOLUME 1 (E. J. Brill: Leiden, > 1997), 547-550. Please check your reference. There is no article by Jacobsen in either vol. 1 (Pickwick, 1980) or vol. 2 (Eisenbrauns, 1983) of that series. - -- Peter T. Daniels grammatim@worldnet.att.net ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 23:27:38 -0500 From: "Peter T. Daniels" Subject: Re: ane Hrozny's work Giuseppe Del Monte wrote: > > Dear Bonnie L Johnston, Allen Adler and Peter T. Daniels, > to the memory of Bedrich/Friedrich Hrozny I would like to recall his > valuable contributions in the thirties, together with T. Bossert, E. Forrer, > I.J. Gelb and Piero Meriggi, to the decipherment of the 'Hittite' > hieroglyphic writing. And no one can take that away from him. > Greetings, I would be most interested in knowing of Hrozny's contribution to that process, which as far as I know was fully accepted on Gelb's (and Forrer's) terms by 1935 or so, whereas Hrozny seems to have maintained into the 1940s that the Luvian hieroglyphs were included in his omnibus Linear B/Linear A/Indus/etc. family. - -- Peter T. Daniels grammatim@worldnet.att.net ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 01:27:39 -0500 (EST) From: Andrew Gross Subject: Re: ane Enmerkar On Sat, 14 Feb 1998, Peter T. Daniels wrote: > chaim cohen wrote: > > > > The latest English translation [of Enmerkar and the Lord of Aratta] is > > undoubtedly by T. Jacobsen in W. W. Hallo et al., THE CONTEXT OF > > SCRIPTURE - VOLUME 1 (E. J. Brill: Leiden, 1997), 547-550. > > Please check your reference. There is no article by Jacobsen in either > vol. 1 (Pickwick, 1980) or vol. 2 (Eisenbrauns, 1983) of that series. Peter, You are confusing _Scripture in Context_ with the _The Context of Scripture_ which is sort of like a new and improved ANET being published by Brill. andrew gross ------------------------------ End of ANE Digest V1998 #45 *************************** Back issues are available on the Oriental Institute World-Wide Web (WWW) site at: http://oi.uchicago.edu/OI/ANE/OI_ANE.html