From: owner-ane@ (ANE Digest) To: ane-digest Subject: ANE Digest V1999 #31 Reply-To: Sender: owner-ane@ Errors-To: owner-ane@ Precedence: bulk ANE Digest Monday, February 1 1999 Volume 1999 : Number 031 ane Sargon II's Annals for the year 711 Timing Troy and Atreus? RE: FW: ane Centuries of Darkness ane CALL FOR PAPERS: RESEARCH ON OMAN ane The Ancient World on Television (North America) RE: ane Babylonian seige of Jerusalem ane Curious Connections? ane Israel's ashera: a hypothesis Re: ane Israel's ashera: a hypothesis ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 12:47:53 +0200 (EET) From: Robert Whiting Subject: ane Sargon II's Annals for the year 711 The Neo-Assyrian Text Corpus Project announces the publication of the following: Die Annalen des Jahres 711 v. Chr. nach Prismenfragmenten aus Ninive und Assur State Archives of Assyria Studies, Volume VIII by Andreas Fuchs Helsinki 1998 | 175 x 250 mm | Pp. xiv + 140 + 10 plates Paper | $29.50 | ISBN 951-45-8410-4 A critical edition and reconstruction of the annals of Sargon II of Assyria for the year 711 BC., providing transliterations, translations, philological commentary and an evaluation of the contributions of these annals to the history of Sargon's reign. Significant historical and technical problems are treated in a series of appendices. Hand copies of the cuneiform texts involved are also included. More details on the SAAS series can be found on the Project's web page at http://www.helsinki.fi/science/saa/saas.html Worldwide distribution of the SAAS series is handled by Eisenbrauns, P.O. Box 275, Winona Lake, IN, U.S.A., and all orders and queries should be directed to them. The volumes of the SAAS series are not published or sold by the Helsinki University Press (unlike State Archives of Assyria volumes), and writing to the Helsinki University Press or the Neo-Assyrian Text Corpus Project will only delay your order. Orders may be placed by e-mail to orders@eisenbrauns.com or by using the order form on Eisenbrauns web page: http://www.eisenbrauns.com/orderform.html Robert M. Whiting Managing Editor The Neo-Assyrian Text Corpus Project Institute for Asian & African Studies | Voice: +358-9-191 23289 PL 59 (Unioninkatu 38 B) | Fax: +358-9-191 22094 FIN-00014 University of Helsinki | E-mail: whiting@cc.helsinki.fi Finland | URL: http://www.helsinki.fi/science/saa/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 12:34:00 +0000 (GMT) From: F J Franklin Subject: Timing Troy and Atreus? RE: FW: ane Centuries of Darkness > ... > > My point is that, given the state of Hittite chronology, I see no problem > in any confusion about any letter sent by a Tudhaliya. I don't see why we > couldn't have another Tudhaliya, coming after Suppiluliuma I, or in fact > almost in any place in the Hittite kinglist. > > Woods in his "In search of the Trojan War" makes a good case, based on the > Hittite archives, for a Trojan War, by an Ahhiyawan/Mycenean king, in the > time of either Muwatalli II or Mursilli III (Urhi-Teshub). > According to legend that Mycenean king is Agamemnon, son of Atreus > (possibly grandson). > We also have texts (a.o. the "Indictment of Madduwattas") from a Arnuwanda > and a Tudhaliya about a "Attarisiyas , the man from Ahhiyawa" who is a > constant problem for them and even is so bold as to attack, among others, > Alashiya (Cyprus). > > Now then, the problem with assuming that he is Atreus is largely that we > then are missing a Tudhaliya between Suppliluliuma and Arnuwanda II. The > texts used to be ascribed to Tudhaliya IV and Arnuwanda III, but are now > ascribed to Tudhaliya II and Arnuwanda I, which of course is too remote in > time for a grandfather of Agamemnon if he is at Troy around 1270 BC. > Of course I'm daydreaming, but wouldn't it be nice to be able to identify > Atreus? > > Best Regards, > Jaap Titulaer I don't understand this. Why should there be a Tudhaliya missing between Suppililiuma and Arnuwanda II? I can understand that there might be, but not why this is a problem. Does the 1270BC date correspond with the destruction (by earthquake?) of Troy VIh? Is there evidence for a late-14th Century destruction of Troy (i.e. during or shortly after the time of Attarisiyas, perhaps while Suppililiuma had other things on his mind)? Is there any evidence, beyond Homer, that Agamemnon (?= `the Achaian king') and Atreus (?= Attarisiyas = `the man from Achaia') are related at all? With too many questions, Francis Franklin ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 10:46:20 -0600 From: "Charles E. Jones" Subject: ane CALL FOR PAPERS: RESEARCH ON OMAN Forwarded on behalf of the undersigned, to whom responses and inquiries should be directed. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx From: Joachim Duester CALL FOR PAPERS - conference announcement GERMAN AND INTERNATIONAL RESEARCH ON OMAN 1999 Conference - Bonn (Germany), 2-3 July 1999 info webpage: http://www.oman.org/bonn.htm A one-and-a-half day inter-disciplinary symposium on Oman will be organized in Bonn (Germany) on 2nd and 3rd July 1999. The conference will be an opportunity to present current research on Oman in various disciplines as well as the results of recently concluded research projects on Oman. The conference is convened by the Oman Conference Steering Committee and organized by the Oman Studies Centre with the support of the German-Omani-Association, DETECON and Beta Publishing, Bonn. Conference languages are English and German. The symposium will be held at the DETECON Building, Bonn-Ramersdorf, Oberkasseler Str. 2. Papers are invited on any subject relative to Oman. Presentations must not exceed 20 minutes. Preference will be given to short presentations of research projects. Proposals for workshops or joint panels are welcome. Academics, students and others interested in presenting a paper or planning to attend the conference as passive participants are kindly requested to notify the organizers of their interest and to register in writing as early as possible. An abstract (maximum one page) of suggested contributions must also be received not later than 25 May 1999, but earlier registration is strongly recommended. A preliminary programme will be distributed to via mailing lists in April 1999. For further information, please check the 1999 conference information webpage at http://www.oman.org/bonn.htm Registrations for the conference must be sent to: Oman Conference c/o Joachim Duester Thomas-Mann-Str. 62 D-53125 Bonn, Germany Fax (0049-228) 1752357 E-Mail: omandoc@pobox.com Oman Conference Steering Committee Joachim Duester, Managing Member, Steering Committee c/o Oman Studies Centre http://www.oman.org ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 14:04:06 -0500 From: David Meadows Subject: ane The Ancient World on Television (North America) ]|[ ]|[ THE ANCIENT WORLD ON TELEVISION ]|[ ]|[ February 1-7, 1999 ]|[============================================]|[ Note 1: As often happens, the Discovery Channel and TLC haven't updated their info, so it is highly likely that there will be an update of these listings coming your way on Tuesday (so if your isp has a limit on how much mail your box can hold, please make sure you have space just in case!). Note 2: As soon as I get the info from DC and TLC, I'll resume updating the web version of these listings (at last!) ]|[ Monday, February 1 8.00 p.m. HISTC The Celts Episode 5 The series continues 9.00 p.m. HISTU Great Empire Rome This series, hosted by Joe Mantegna, isn't too bad according to a note I scrawled about it; the first episode deals with the Republic (mostly the late Republic) ]|[ Tuesday, February 2 8.00 p.m. HISTU Missing Princes of England Was uncle Richard really a bad guy or the victim of bad press? 8.00 p.m. HISTC History of War Bannockburn 1314 and all that ... 9.00 p.m. HISTU Great Empire Rome The series continues with a look at the Julio-Claudians ]|[ Wednesday, February 3 8.00 p.m. HISTU Lost City of Atlantis I can't tell which one this is, although there is mention of a similar tale in South America (but it's obviously not the one that appears regularly on Discovery Channel) 9.00 p.m. HISTU Great Empire Rome The empire at its height; good times and bad ]|[ Thursday, February 4 8.00 p.m. HISTU Man in the Iron Mask The mystery that spawned yet another movie with Leo ... 8.00 p.m. HISTC Ancient Civilizations The Aztecs A good program which, unlike others, doesn't focus solely on blood rituals ... 9.00 p.m. HISTU Great Empire Rome The series ends with a look at the later Roman Empire and its legacy ]|[ Friday, February 5 6.00 p.m. HISTU Crusades: Destruction The series ends with Richard the Lionheart and assorted subsequent commercial Crusades 8.00 p.m. HISTC 500 Nations Taino Wasn't this one on a couple weeks ago? ]|[ Saturday, February 6 7.00 p.m. A&E Mysteries of the Bible Job: The Devil's Test How a potentially blasphemous book made its way into the Bible 8.30 p.m. HISTC History Bites Charlemagne Apparently a new one ... ]|[ February 7 12.00 p.m. A&E Mysteries of the Bible Job: The Devil's Test Repeat of Saturday's program. 6.00 p.m. A&E The Unexplained Strange Lines in the Sand Nazca, of course ... 7.00 p.m. A&E Great Builders of Egypt Squeeeeeeeee! A new program on A&E with a description that refers vaguely to "the creators of the monuments of Ancient Egypt" 8.00 p.m. A&E Biography Caligula Bootikins sez nothing exceeds like excess! ++ Next installment on or about February 7, 1999++ ]|[============================================]|[ A channel guide is available at: http://web.idirect.com/~atrium/awotv/channelguide.html ]|[============================================]|[ To subscribe to these listings, send a blank email message to: AWOTV-subscribe@onelist.com To unsubscribe from these listings, send a blank email message to: AWOTV-unsubscribe@onelist.com Or go to: http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/AWOTV ]|[============================================]|[ Copyright (c) 1998 David Meadows. Feel free to distribute these listings via email to your pals, students, teachers, etc., but please include this copyright notice. Please do not post these listings to your website, but rather make a link to: http://web.idirect.com/~atrium/awotv.html Thanks! ]|[============================================]|[ ]|[ David Meadows ]|[ http://web.idirect.com/~atrium ]|[ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 15:30:36 -0500 From: "Liz Fried" Subject: RE: ane Babylonian seige of Jerusalem Dear Niels Peter, Oops, you're right! Mea culpa. I was thumbing through Wiseman's book and saw the date, and assumed he got it from the BAbylonian Chronicles. I see now it's from the bible only. Wiseman is only saying these are consistent with the Chronicles, but, right, I misspoke. I should probably cc this to the list. Liz Lisbeth S. Fried Department of Hebrew and Judaic Studies New York University 51 Washington Sq. S. New York, NY 10012 lqf9256@is3.nyu.edu lizfried@umich.edu > -----Original Message----- > From: Niels Peter Lemche [mailto:npl@teol.ku.dk] > Sent: Sunday, January 31, 1999 7:00 AM > To: 'Liz Fried' > Subject: RE: ane Babylonian seige of Jerusalem > > > Dear Liz, > > what babylonian Chronicle? As far as I remember it only covers the year of > 597, not 587 (or whenever it was). The tablet published many years ago by > Wiseman stops before the second conquest of Jerusalem. Another tablet has > never been found or identified (in the Basement of the BM). > > NPL > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Liz Fried [SMTP:lizfried@umich.edu] > > Sent: Saturday, 30 January, 1999 19:02 > > To: Andrew Jones > > Cc: ANE-list > > Subject: RE: ane Babylonian seige of Jerusalem > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-ane@oi.uchicago.edu [mailto:owner-ane@oi.uchicago.edu]On > > > Behalf Of Andrew Jones > > > Sent: Saturday, January 30, 1999 12:30 PM > > > To: ANE > > > Subject: ane Babylonian seige of Jerusalem > > > > > > > > > Can someone provide me with a list of original texts that we use > > > to come up > > > with dates for Nebuchadnezzar's third siege of Jerusalem = "began on > > > approximately Jan. 15, 588 BC. The city fell on approximately > > > July 18, 586"? > > > > > > Are there any non-biblical sources for coming up with these dates that > > > collaborate any biblical references to the fall of Jerusalem? > > > > There are the Babylonian Chronicles, but these only give a precise date > > for > > the beginning of the siege, Jan 15, 588. The date for the > destruction of > > the temple unfortunately is not given. The year 586 is disputed. Some > > scholars argue vehemently for 587 and others just as vehemently for 586. > > It > > depends on whether the Judaean kings' regnal years begin in the spring > > or > > the fall. If in the spring, it is 587; if in the fall, it is 586. > > Determining the year thus involves the biblical texts as well as the > > Babylonian ones. > > > > There is a huge literature on this issue. But for a start I'd read > > _Nebuchadrezzar and Babylon_ by D.J. Wiseman. Oxford University Press, > > 1985; D.N. Freedman has an important article on this, but I > don't have the > > reference now. I'd also read Thiele, 1956, BASOR, "New Evidence on the > > Chronology of the Last Kings of Judah," 144, 22-37. > > > > best, > > Liz > > > > > > Thanks for any help! > > > > > > Andrew Jones > > > > > Lisbeth S. Fried > > Department of Hebrew and Judaic Studies > > New York University > > 51 Washington Sq. S. > > New York, NY 10012 > > lqf9256@is3.nyu.edu > > lizfried@umich.edu > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 18:15:04 AST From: Tom Simms Subject: ane Curious Connections? Just now I was discussing the use of genealogies and discussing history. I put the following together as an example: 1240 BCE, in roughly Yr 50 of his reign, Ra Meses II erected a stela commemorating the 400 anniversary of the beginning of his dynasty with the reign of Aa Pehti Set, one of the Hyksos kings who ruled immediately following a well attested one called Iakeb Aarhu Mer User Ra. These Hyksos kings were Canaanites, as you can see if you ever look at how fair the complexion of Ra Meses II actually was. (His First Chief Queen, Nefertari, is shown in her famous tomb with PINK skin, unheard of before.) Now 400 years before is 1640 BCE, the first generation after the Iakeb (Jacob) just noted, who was more completely named as Iakeb Aarhu (Aarhu = on the ladder). His eleventh son, Joseph, con- sidered in succession, at 20 years a generation would be born in 1640 - 220 or 1420 BCE, ie at the end of the reign of Thothmes III. The grand commoner Senmut was well dead by then. No one else comes into notice. If we take 25 years to a generation, 55 years beyond would see him born at 1365 BCE or about the time of the first Jubilee of Amen Hetep III. (There's a 10 year high - low range for those dates so it could be 1355 BCE.) Amen Hetep III's advisor for that Jubilee was Amen Hetep Son of Hapu. This man pleased the king so much he gave him a funerary Temple just beside the king's in the line of funerary Temples under the cliffs in Western Thebes and just behind the Colossi of Memnon which Amen Hetep Son of Hapu insured were made and erected. The king's first crown prince, Thothmes (V) had died before the Jubilee, so, while Amen Hetep the next son was too young to rule, the king's advisor, whom we know acted as Sem Priest to the king in that first Jubilee (when the king became deified) was taking the place of the First Son or Great One His Son (Aa Siph) and received the funerary Temple. At the same time, the Second son was made co-regent and erected and celebrated his own Jubilee/Coronation Temple at Karnak going onto the Heb Sed as Amen Hetep and coming out as Akhu En Aten, where his father Pa Aten (the Aten) appeared in each of the 42 shrines of Egypt in the Jubilee Temple to bless the new king. (Donald Redford has worked on that Temple for about twenty-five years and never caught on ... Raymond Johnson, the Chief Epi- grapher for Chicago House (Oriental Institute), has set it all out. Redford still has yet to speak on it and apparently sticks with his view of the Canaanite rule in the levant. It may have cost him his position at UoT for he moved just this year to UPenn. The next Sem Priest for a reigning king was Kha Em Uset, 4th Crown Prince of Ra Meses II who erected the 400 year stela that Pierre Montet discovered in the early 1940's, celebrating the king's First Jubilee in year 30 and continued to do so until after the year 49/50 one when he died. His older brothers had died by Yr 30 so he was Crown Prince until the early years of Ra Meses II's Sixth decade of rule, ie past Yr 50. He also was the world's first Egyptologist of record...which ties into the tale later. One consequence of celebrating the king's Jubilees meant that for the second one, he built a special Jubilee temple at Memphis, marking his position as High Priest of Pteh and keeper of the Apis Bull, creating the Serapeum at Sakkara, just West of Mem- phis, building a funerary Temple for the Bull and a series of tombs for them with that Temple, ending the practice of separate tombs and Temples for each bull. This meant his name was seen by the notaries burying the bulls until the end of the practice in the 3rd C CE. This noteworthiness made him the subject of a Romance which survived from the The Third Intermediate Period/Late Period in its demotic version as the Setne Cycle. This Crown Prince, Kha Em Uset, had a First Born called Ra Meses who was old enough to take the offices of his father as High Priest of Pteh but he didn't. Instead, the second brother, Huy, did. I recently learned that an unnamed sharp real estate agent who triggered and lost the end of the 100 year long fight with Mose, the Chief Accountant of the Temple of Pteh, to retain his mother's inheiritance had to have some powerful "upstairs" help to pull the tricks he did that nearly did in the heir. The shame of being exposed for altering the Temple records from Per Rames- es, the new capital in the delta, must have led him being posted "foreign". Some details of the career of the First Born son, Ra Meses, tile Prince by courtesy, still exist. These details include the name of his scribe and some correspondece the skipper of his "yacht" seemed to have passed on to temple singers for his friends. He disappears and his brother Huy succeeds to all his positions. However, another Ra Meses appeared around the time Mer En Pteh, the 12th Crown Prince and King died, when Amenmesse the usurper succeeds. This man, Ra Meses Em Per Ra, appearing from Syria, seems to have taken some part in deposing Amenmesse and placing Seti II, the son of Mer En Pteh, on the throne. The young Seti was the rightful king. This Ra Meses became a Kingmaker (Arsu) for the rest of the dynasty, including seating Queen Ta Usert on the throne. This incited Set Nekht to expell him and his fol- lowers. (Papyrus Harris 75) This person fits all the connections to the earlier disgraced young Prince. This man's name, Ra Meses Em Per Ra, means he was "from the House of Ra," ie the palace. He was often called "Bai" or "Bay", meaning Son of Osiris and began to build a tomb in the Valley of the Kings (KV-13), just recently cleared. The next dynasty made a great deal of the expulsions, calling the people around him "the followers of Set". The event shows up in Manetho's account of what Josephus took to be the Exodus, name the action with Osarsiph, also meaning son of Osiris. Manetho's account ties it in to beginning with Mer En Pteh whom he calls as do the king lists, Amenophath. The Demotic romance, the Setne Cycle, retells in a more fabulous way the tomb work of Setne Khamwas and the tales of wonder of his magical son Si-Osiris, besting the Nubian kings only to vanish like a shadow from the court and leaving his father to grieve until a son, User Mont Hor, was born. I've gone on too long... Tom Sources: Kitchen, K. A. _Pharaoh Triumphant._ Mississauga, Ontario: Benben Books, 1982. Lichtheim, Miriam. _Ancient Egyptian Literature, Part III._ Berke- ley: U. California Press, 1980. Johnson, W. Raymond, `Images of Amenhotep III in Thebes: Styles and Intentions,' pp. 26-46, in _The Art of Amenhotep III: Art Historical Analysis_. Cleveland: Cleveland Museyum of Art/Indiana University Press, 1988. Johnson, W. Raymond, `The Deified Amenhotep III as the Living Re- Horakhty: Stylistic and Iconographic Considerations', pp.231-6, in _Acts, 6th International Congress of Egyptologists, Turin 1991, vol 2_. Johnson, W. Raymond, `Amenhotep III and Amarna: Some New Considera- tions,' pp. 65-82 & 8 plates in _J. E. A., 82_, 1996. *** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 22:10:22 -0500 (EST) From: morsil@webtv.net Subject: ane Israel's ashera: a hypothesis Dear Listmembers: I have put on the web an image that corresponds to my conception of an ashera. It is from Transjordan and has been dated 9th-8th BCE. Comments appreciated. The image may be viewed at: http://members.tripod.com/~sondmor/index-6.html Best, Morris Morris Silver Department of Economics City College of New York ANCIENT ECONOMIES I http://members.tripod.com/~sondmor/index.html ANCIENT ECONOMIES II http://www.angelfire.com/ms/ancecon/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 08:44:11 +0200 From: "Jonathan D. Safren" Subject: Re: ane Israel's ashera: a hypothesis morsil@webtv.net wrote: > I have put on the web an image that corresponds to my conception of an > ashera. It is from Transjordan and has been dated 9th-8th BCE. > Comments appreciated. The first question that should be asked is: Is there any epigraphic or other evidence from the site that this is indees an ashera? Another difficulty in accepting your theory is the evidence from Kuntillat Ajrud (my source: Shnaton 1), in the Western Negev, (from the 7th century BCE, I believe). On a votive bowl from there is the Hebrew inscription: "I bless you to YHWH of Samaria and his asherah". Underneath the inscription is the ink drawing of two figures: a male figure with a bull's head in the lead, and a female figure, with a cow's head, a few steps behind him to his left. In the background sits someone playing a stringed instrument Combining this with the biblical evidence of various golden calves representing YHWH (in the Wilderness, at Bethel, and at Dan), the logical conclusion is that these are representations of YHWH and his asheerah. So asherah - or Asherah - was depicted as having a woman's body and a cow's head. Sincerely, Jonathan D. Safren Dept. of Biblical Studies Beit Berl College Beit Berl Post Office 44905 Israel ------------------------------ End of ANE Digest V1999 #31 *************************** Back issues are available on the Oriental Institute World-Wide Web (WWW) site at: http://oi.uchicago.edu/OI/ANE/OI_ANE.html