From: owner-ane@ (ANE Digest) To: ane-digest Subject: ANE Digest V1999 #148 Reply-To: Sender: owner-ane@ Errors-To: owner-ane@ Precedence: bulk ANE Digest Friday, May 28 1999 Volume 1999 : Number 148 ane Archaeological Book Advertisement Re: Book bargain, was Re: ane re: ANE Bethel ane omotic Re: ane ultimate Hebrew origins? Re: ane omotic Re: ane omotic ane New Publication: Chemical Analyses of Early Glasses Re: Book bargain, was Re: ane re: ANE Bethel Re: Book bargain, was Re: ane re: ANE Bethel ane Corpus of Sarasvati Sindhu Civilization 'writing' ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 10:48:19 +0200 From: vanderSanden/Drost Subject: ane Archaeological Book Advertisement Dear list-members, I am sending the following text on behalf of a friend of mine, Fred C. Woudhuizen, who is not a subscriber to this list. 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Gieben, Nieuwe Herengracht 35 1011 RM Amsterdam The Netherlands phone: 31 20 627 51 70 & 623 47 09 fax: 31 20 627 51 70 Jeannette Drost Amsterdam ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 09:55:25 +0100 (BST) From: "N.C. Strudwick" Subject: Re: Book bargain, was Re: ane re: ANE Bethel There is a list on the web site at http://www.brill.nl Nigel Strudwick On Wed, 26 May 1999, Peter T. Daniels wrote: > Y'all might like to know that Brill just sent a "Millennium Offer" > brochure offering this book (and many, many others) for US$35 postpaid > (list $159.50). Also new subscriptions to journals at half price ... pay > for 1999, get 2000 free. > > The current head of the Oriental division realizes that the company > prices itself out of the American market and apparently is willing to > try to convince the directors that something needs to be done -- one > constraint he claims is that they insist on earning a 10% profit per > annum. It would be very helpful if it could be shown that they could > make up in quantity what they lose in margin. > > Apparently the brochure could be requested at or > . There doesn't seem to be anything about a website. > -- > Peter T. Daniels grammatim@worldnet.att.net > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 05:46:43 -0400 From: nyokabi@kingcon.com Subject: ane omotic On Wednesday May 26 I wrote >If you have refs to newer articles contesting the expulsion of either Beja >or Omotic(from Kushitic) or Omotic from Af-Asiatic, I would be interested in >reading them. I meant suggesting (not contesting) the expulsion of Omotic from Af-Asiatic - -- I think there has never been any question of reincluding it in Kushitic, but rather whether it is not so divergent that it is not even Afro-Asiatic at all ? Did I read somewhere that Omotic has some similarity in the pronouns with Anc Eg, or am I confusing it with Ik and So? E. Adams ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 06:51:29 -0400 From: "Peter T. Daniels" Subject: Re: ane ultimate Hebrew origins? nyokabi@kingcon.com wrote: > > >> [P.Daniels] > >> >It is agreed that the Afroasiatic family originated in East Africa: > >> >perhaps near Lake Chad, perhaps in the region that is now the eastern > >> >Sahara Desert (which became uninhabitable only 6000 or so years ago). > >> > > >> [E.A.] > >> I guess it's not agreed then, because the last map I looked at, Lake Chad > >> was still in West Africa! > > > [P.D.] > >Not according to East Africanists ... > > [E.A.] > What is this, a new Partition of Africa? Lake Chad is on the Nigerian border! Culture areas ... > Can you give us the references to those who think the Nigerian-Cameroonian- > Chadian borderland is in East Africa! Due north of Gabon! I'd also be > interested > in the references to those who think proto-Af-As was in the area of the later > Chadic family. Chadic is W and probably S of the AA homeland, which both Diakonoff (EB) and Hetzron (WML) put in the area of the Sahara. (I can't afford to buy Ehret or Orel/Stolbova to discover whether they express an opinion.) > [E.A.] > >> PS M. Vidal has got it right, there are now seven branches of Af-As, Beja > >> having been booted from Kushitic. > > > > [P.D.] > >According to whom, on which day of the week? There is no agreement on > >the placing of Beja, or for that matter Omotic. > > I think I first ran into the argument in Hetzron, "The Limits of Cushitic" > in SUGIA 2, 1980, p.78-99 "The Position of Beja". My notes don't include > his footnotes on any predecessors who might have advanced the same arguments. > I then went on to other matters for a space of years, and then noticed in > the early 90's that various things I read did not treat Beja as Kushitic. > I scrawled in the margin in big capitals on my notes - IS BEJA NO LONGER > KUSHITIC??? By then I had probably forgotten about Hetzron, but I got the > distinct impression that in the interim this had now become the accepted > classification. Perhaps M Vidal or Gene Gragg might be able to supply us > with the ultimate article or conference in which this matter was > discussed? resolved?, much as A. Zaborski in his "Historical Survey of > Cushitic Studies" referred to "the ultimate expulsion of former West > Cushitic > [i.e. Omotic] from Cushitic by H.C. Fleming [ 1976]." > > If you have refs to newer articles contesting the expulsion of either Beja > or Omotic(from Kushitic) or Omotic from Af-Asiatic, I would be interested in > reading them. Every year, people come to NACAL with new proposals for the divisions and subgroupings of AA. This year it was both Bender and Fleming. I doubt most of them ever get into print. The languages concerned are not well known, so each new accession of data can produce realignments in the classification. - -- Peter T. Daniels grammatim@worldnet.att.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 07:59:11 -0400 From: "Peter T. Daniels" Subject: Re: ane omotic nyokabi@kingcon.com wrote: > > On Wednesday May 26 I wrote > > >If you have refs to newer articles contesting the expulsion of either Beja > >or Omotic(from Kushitic) or Omotic from Af-Asiatic, I would be interested in > >reading them. > > I meant suggesting (not contesting) the expulsion of Omotic from Af-Asiatic > -- > I think there has never been any question of reincluding it in Kushitic, but > rather whether it is not so divergent that it is not even Afro-Asiatic at > all ? > > Did I read somewhere that Omotic has some similarity in the pronouns with > Anc Eg, or am I confusing it with Ik and So? In his Leiden Inaugural Address (1980), Paul Newman suggests that Omotic may not be AA at all. For the little that was known of Omotic, see Bender, ed., Non-Semitic Languages of Ethiopia (East Lansing, 1976), and various unpublished field notes of Bender, Fleming, etc. - -- Peter T. Daniels grammatim@worldnet.att.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 17:04:23 GMT From: mcv@wxs.nl (Miguel Carrasquer Vidal) Subject: Re: ane omotic nyokabi@kingcon.com wrote: >On Wednesday May 26 I wrote > >>If you have refs to newer articles contesting the expulsion of either Beja >>or Omotic(from Kushitic) or Omotic from Af-Asiatic, I would be interested in >>reading them. > >I meant suggesting (not contesting) the expulsion of Omotic from Af-Asiatic >-- >I think there has never been any question of reincluding it in Kushitic, but >rather whether it is not so divergent that it is not even Afro-Asiatic at >all ? Merrit Ruhlen, in his "Classification of the World's Languages" mentions that Paul Newman excludes Omotic from Afro-Asiatic. I did some bibliographical work on Soviet Hausa studies for Paul Newman when I was studying Russian at Leiden University and he was teaching at the Africanist faculty there, so I decided to ask about this some time ago, 'cause I was curious. I suppose it's allright to briefly quote from his reply: >Miguel, > Let me respond briefly to your questions. >(1) Re. Omotic, in my Leiden oratie The Classification of Chadic within >Afroasiatic, which dates from 1980 (!) -- can't believe that it is that >long ago -- I threw in a footnote in which, without evidence of any sort, >I raised expressed doubt whether one should include Omotic within >Afroasiatic. I haven't followed up on the matter and thus have nothing >useful to say. At the time, I had been working on comparative Afroasiatic >and was struck by the fact that with languages from any of the other >branches, the genetic connection was obvious once one just scratched the >surface, whereas the Omotic languages that I had look at didn't fit into >the same mold. ======================= Miguel Carrasquer Vidal mcv@wxs.nl ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 14:23:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Lynn Peebles Subject: ane New Publication: Chemical Analyses of Early Glasses Just out is a new publication from The Corning Museum of Glass which features chemical analyses of some 3300 examples of historical glasses and related materials, including materials from Amarna, Malkata, Uluburun, Tell Brak and the Aegean world, among others. Volumes 1 (Catalog of Samples) and 2 (Tables of Analyses) are reference books for archaeologists, curators, glass scientists and archeometrists. Vol 3, in progress, will contain narrative reports interpreting the data. Chemical Analyses of Early Glasses, by Robert H. Brill, Senior Research Scientist, The Corning Museum of Glass. Vol. 1, The Catalogue of Samples, 335 pp; Vol. 2, the Tables of Analyses, 553 pp. $116 per set. Postage and handling: domestic orders $6.75; foreign orders, $10 for surface, $40 for airmail. Order directly from The Corning Museum of Glass, One Corning Glass Center, Corning, NY 14830-2253. Telephone orders: 607 974 6479; Fax orders: 607 974 8470; e-mail orders: kylesew@cmog.org. Regards, Lynn Peebles Wallace Curatorship in Egyptology Metropolitan Museum of Art _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 22:41:18 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) From: Marcio L Redondo Subject: Re: Book bargain, was Re: ane re: ANE Bethel Yes, there is a list of the Millenium Offer books on their website, but believe it or not it is incomplete... No books on ANE studies. However, yesterday I sent them an email (cs@brill.nl) asking for the brochure and today they kindly replied saying that a copy would be sent immediately. Regards, Marcio Redondo On Thu, 27 May 1999 09:55:25 +0100 (BST) "N.C. Strudwick" wrote: > > There is a list on the web site at http://www.brill.nl > > Nigel Strudwick > > > On Wed, 26 May 1999, Peter T. Daniels wrote: > > > Y'all might like to know that Brill just sent a "Millennium Offer" > > brochure offering this book (and many, many others) for US$35 postpaid > > (list $159.50). Also new subscriptions to journals at half price ... pay > > for 1999, get 2000 free. > > > > The current head of the Oriental division realizes that the company > > prices itself out of the American market and apparently is willing to > > try to convince the directors that something needs to be done -- one > > constraint he claims is that they insist on earning a 10% profit per > > annum. It would be very helpful if it could be shown that they could > > make up in quantity what they lose in margin. > > > > Apparently the brochure could be requested at or > > . There doesn't seem to be anything about a website. > > -- > > Peter T. Daniels grammatim@worldnet.att.net > > > ======================================================= Marcio L. Redondo E-mail: mredondo@liverpool.ac.uk Fax: +44 151 794 2226 Phone: +44 151 280 1095 Address: 26 Springwood Avenue Liverpool L19 4TX England ======================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 18:50:14 -0400 From: "Peter T. Daniels" Subject: Re: Book bargain, was Re: ane re: ANE Bethel There are no ANE books in the brochure, but a number on early Judaism. Marcio L Redondo wrote: > > Yes, there is a list of the Millenium Offer books on their website, but believe it or not it is incomplete... No books on ANE studies. > > However, yesterday I sent them an email (cs@brill.nl) asking for the brochure and today they kindly replied saying that a copy would be sent immediately. > > Regards, > > Marcio Redondo > > On Thu, 27 May 1999 09:55:25 +0100 (BST) "N.C. Strudwick" > wrote: > > > > > There is a list on the web site at http://www.brill.nl > > > > Nigel Strudwick > > > > > > On Wed, 26 May 1999, Peter T. Daniels wrote: > > > > > Y'all might like to know that Brill just sent a "Millennium Offer" > > > brochure offering this book (and many, many others) for US$35 postpaid > > > (list $159.50). Also new subscriptions to journals at half price ... pay > > > for 1999, get 2000 free. > > > > > > The current head of the Oriental division realizes that the company > > > prices itself out of the American market and apparently is willing to > > > try to convince the directors that something needs to be done -- one > > > constraint he claims is that they insist on earning a 10% profit per > > > annum. It would be very helpful if it could be shown that they could > > > make up in quantity what they lose in margin. > > > > > > Apparently the brochure could be requested at or > > > . There doesn't seem to be anything about a website. - -- Peter T. Daniels grammatim@worldnet.att.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 22:47:55 -0700 (PDT) From: "S. Kalyanaraman" Subject: ane Corpus of Sarasvati Sindhu Civilization 'writing' Hi, Members of the list may be interested in a preview of updates at http://sarasvati.simplenet.com A preview review of over 2000 glyphs (generally thought to be 'writing') presented will be useful in the context of unravelling the significance of many undeciphered glyphs on Near East cylinder seals of the 3rd millennium B.C. and of course, the Gadd Seal No. 1 which is in cuneiform (sag-ku-zi-?ta)... Translation of the Rigveda in English based on Sa_yan.a will also be useful for comparison with Avestan... As always, comments are welcome. 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