From: owner-ane@ (ANE Digest) To: ane-digest Subject: ANE Digest V1999 #321 Reply-To: Sender: owner-ane@ Errors-To: owner-ane@ Precedence: bulk ANE Digest Tuesday, November 16 1999 Volume 1999 : Number 321 ane Lev Gumilev [none] ane Etymology of "Dragoman" ane Etruscan texts? Info about a new Swedish project in the Eastern Mediterranean RE: ane Etruscan texts? Re: ane Etruscan texts? Re: ane Etruscan texts? ane Field Work - Use of Geographic Information Systems Re: ane Samaria Ostraca ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 02:03:03 PST From: "Elizaveta Musinova" Subject: ane Lev Gumilev Could anybody express the opinion about Lev Gumilev's books - I don't know quite their English titles; approaximately - "From Old Russia to Russia", "The Ethnogenesis"? Best regards, E. Moussinova ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 02:02:38 PST From: "Elizaveta Musinova" Subject: [none] Could anybody express the opinion about Lev Gumilev's books - I don't know quite their English titles; approaximately - "From Old Russia to Russia", "The Ethnogenesis"? Best regards, E. Moussinova ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 11:04:19 +0100 From: "WB (in Frankfurt today)" Subject: ane Etymology of "Dragoman" Dear ANE-netters, in "The word for dragoman in the Ancient Near East" (_Glossa_ 2, 1968, 93-104) Gelb discusses several early occurences of the Akkadian words ultimately underlying English dragoman (Old Bab. turgumannu, Middle Bab. targumannu, Ugaritic targu- miyaanu, New Assyr. targumaanu) and their relationship with Sumerian eme-bala. He then reviews proposals for a Semitic etymology of the word from a root RGM ('to speak, cry, call') + ta- (nomina agentis/actionis prefix), + -aan (reinterpretation of foreign -annu??), and finally opts for a non-Semitic ori- gin, as already envisaged by de Lagarde (Armenische Studien, 1877, 58), who proposed an "Indo-European etymology based on the Balto- Slavic root t6lk6- ... Lithuanian tulkas 'interpreter' ..." etc. Since this proposal does not seem very attractive from the point of the distribution of IE languages (Sanskrit tarka'yati 'suspects, thinks about' and Latin loquii do not necessarily belong to the Balto-Slavic roots!), I wonder if: (a) it is still assumed that targumannu etc. are loans from non-Mesopotamian lgs., or if there are more recent inner-Akkadian etymologies for the term (b) if a textual correspondance between Akk. targumannu and Sum. eme-bala, apparently still lacking at the time Gelb wrote his article, has been unambiguously established in the meantime. Thank you very much indeed for any kind of comment, pointer or reference for the non-ANE specialist. Best wishes, Wolfgang Behr ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 11:14:55 -0500 From: "Charles E. Jones" Subject: ane Etruscan texts? There is in the Archaeological Museum in Zagreb Croatia an interesting mummy - Curiously enough this mummy was wrapped in linen bands which bear what is regarded as the longest known Etruscan inscription (1200 readable words in at least twelve columns): a liturgical calendar: http://www.arheoloski.hr/eng/odjeli/zbirke/kolekcije.htm Janine Monnet Saleh's catalogue of the Zagrab collection ("Les Antiquites Egyptiennes de Zagreb" Paris, Mouton, 1970) mentions this mummy and the linen inscription as a part of the Baron Franz von Koller collection - the source of most of Zagreb's Egyptological collection - but excludes it (along with a group of cuneiform tablets, and some Greek objects) from treatment in the catalogue as being not Egyptian. Larissa Bonfante in "Reading the Past" (London, British Museum, 1990 - pages 345) claims the mummy was "bought in Egypt by a Croatian traveller in the last century..." The Web site of the Zageb Archaeological museum: http://www.arheoloski.hr/eng/ seems not to doubt the authenticity of the mummy, citing an associated hieratic Book of the Dead papyrus naming the owner as Nesi-hensu, the wife of Paher-hensu, a "divine tailor" from Thebes. http://www.arheoloski.hr/eng/odjeli/zbirke/egipatska.htm Aside from the Zagreb catalogue, I can find no further references in the Egyptological literature for this stuff. I imagine there is more of a story here, but that's all I know right now. I'll be grateful for further references. But still... the idea that a long Etruscan text might come from Egypt is an interesting one... - -Chuck Jones- cejo@midway.uchicago.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 12:23:15 -0500 From: "Charles E. Jones" Subject: Info about a new Swedish project in the Eastern Mediterranean Forwarded on behalf of the undersigned, to whom responses and inquiries should be directed. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Info about a new Swedish project in the Eastern Mediterranean. The undersigned succeeded after 18 months of negotiations to receive the permit to excavate Tell el-Ajjul, Gaza. The preliminary name of the project is: A Joint Palestinian-Swedish project at Tell el-Ajjul (directed by Peter M. Fischer and Moain Sadeq). A successful planning season was conducted Sept./Oct. 99. The season included the production of a topographic map, geophysical prospecting and three test trenches. The test trenches produced remarkable finds considering the short time and the small area of the excavations. The results will be published in Annual of the Department of Antiquities of Palestine (new journal; short version) and in Egypt and the Levant (Vienna; comprehensive version). Next season is planned for Sept./Oct. 2000. Peter M. Fischer _________________________________________ Prof. Peter M. Fischer Project Dir. Palestinian-Swedish Expedition at Tell el-Ajjul Swedish Jordan Expedition at Tell Abu al-Kharaz SCIEM2000(SFB), Austrian Academy/Science Fund and EU Dorjeskarsgatan 37 SE-421 60 Vastra Frolunda Sweden email: fischer@fy.chalmers.se http://www.lls.se/~fischer http://www.nhm-wien.ac.at/sciem2000/ Phone: +46 31 494058 Fax: +46 31 493377 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 20:00:51 +0100 From: Aayko Eyma Subject: RE: ane Etruscan texts? Dear Chuck, >Larissa Bonfante in "Reading the Past" (London, British Museum, 1990 - pages 345) claims the mummy was "bought in Egypt by a Croatian traveller in the last century..." But still... the idea that a long Etruscan text might come from Egypt is an interesting one...< ***One of my books tell me that it was a Croatian traveller, but another one says it was a Slovenian guy, Mihail de Baric', who bought it in Egypt in 1848/9; place of sale and find spot are unknown. It is thought that this so-called 'Liber Linteus' dates between 3th c BC and 1st c AD [most likely: 2nd c BC], and a possible theory is that it belonged to one of the Etruscans that fled abroad after 80 BC due to the politics of Sulla (such exiles also have left inscriptions in Tunesia). [source: R.S.P. Beekes - De Etrusken spreken, 1991] kind regards, Aayko Eyma. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 22:10:00 +0100 From: "B. Andelkovic" Subject: Re: ane Etruscan texts? Dear Chuck, The Zagreb mummy is quite well known for a long, long time. In "Vjesnik arheoloskog muzeja u Zagrebu, 3 serija, vol.19 (1986)" / The Journal of the Archaeological Museum in Zagreb/ you can find a number of articles on the subject: *M.Pallottino, Il libro etrusco della mummia di Zagreb - Significato e valore storico e linguistico del documento *A.J.Pfiffig, Zur Heuristik des Liber linteus Zagrebiensis *H.Rix, Etruskisch cults 'Tor' und der Abschnitt VIII 1-2 des Zagreb liber linteus *I.Mirnik and A.Rendic-Miocevic, Liber linteus zagrabiensis *M.Flury-Lemberg, Die Rekonstruktion des Liber linteus Zagrabiensis oder die Mumienbinden von Zagreb *D.Srdoc and N.Horvatincic, Radiocarbon dating of the Liber linteus Zagrabiensis *B.Plavsic and J.Hancevic, X-ray analysis of the Zagreb Mummy *N.Tvrtkovic, On the skull of a cat found among the fragments of the wreath of the Zagreb Mummy. All best, Brana _________________________________________________ Branislav Andelkovic, M.A. Junior Lecturer in Near Eastern Archaeology Faculty of Philosophy, Department of Archaeology Cika Ljubina 18-20, 11000 Belgrade, Serbia, Yugoslavia E-mail: B.Andelkovic@f.bg.ac.yu ; ICQ: 17018224 Tel.+381 11 3281 550/ext.235; Fax.+381 11 639 356 _________________________________________________ http://dekart.f.bg.ac.yu/~bandjelk/bemum/index.html mirror: http://www.megido.com/bemummy/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 22:53:42 +0100 From: "B. Andelkovic" Subject: Re: ane Etruscan texts? Dear Aayko, Mihael Baric was born around 1791 in Semeljci village in Slavonija (NOT Slovenia) which is now part of Croatia. He seems to bought the mummy in 1848/49, when he was in Egypt. He lived in Vienna (corner of Rotenturmstrasse and Fleischmarkt) where he kept a mummy in his home for a while. Upon his last will, the mummy was intended to end up either in Yugoslav Academy or at the National Museum in Zagreb. The donation reached the museum in Zagreb between July 22-25, 1862. And it is still there. By the way, the mummy was completely unwrapped sometime before the donor`s death in 1859. All best, _________________________________________________ Branislav Andelkovic, M.A. Junior Lecturer in Near Eastern Archaeology Faculty of Philosophy, Department of Archaeology Cika Ljubina 18-20, 11000 Belgrade, Serbia, Yugoslavia E-mail: B.Andelkovic@f.bg.ac.yu ; ICQ: 17018224 Tel.+381 11 3281 550/ext.235; Fax.+381 11 639 356 _________________________________________________ http://dekart.f.bg.ac.yu/~bandjelk/bemum/index.html mirror: http://www.megido.com/bemummy/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 21:40:50 -0600 From: "Richard Klapper" Subject: ane Field Work - Use of Geographic Information Systems This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01BF2FB2.167C6B00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On several web sites dealing with recent site excavations I noticed = there is a team member who is the GIS specialist. I deal with GIS = systems (although not related to archaeology) so I am interested in the = software used, applications, etc. Are there any GIS specialists on the = list who could give me any information on their work? I am curious how = long has GIS been in use in field work.=20 Richard Klapper - ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01BF2FB2.167C6B00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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- ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01BF2FB2.167C6B00-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 17:46:09 +1100 From: "George Athas" Subject: Re: ane Samaria Ostraca Reinhard, Good photos of the Samaria Ostraca are hard to come by. I still have not found a definitive collection. You'll find some photos in Birnbaum, "The Hebrew Scripts" (1954-57); and, Diringer, "Le iscrizioni antico-ebraiche Palestinesi," (1934). Gibson also has some extra references, but these are the best. Best regards George Athas Dept of Semitic Studies, University of Sydney ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Tel Dan Inscription Website http://members.xoom.com/gathas/teldan.htm ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: < gathas@ mail.usyd.edu.au > ------------------------------ End of ANE Digest V1999 #321 **************************** Back issues are available on the Oriental Institute World-Wide Web (WWW) site at: http://oi.uchicago.edu/OI/ANE/OI_ANE.html