From: owner-ane@ (ANE Digest) To: ane-digest Subject: ANE Digest V2000 #32 Reply-To: Sender: owner-ane@ Errors-To: owner-ane@ Precedence: bulk ANE Digest Tuesday, February 1 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 032 Re: ane Plumb lines and building tools Re: ane book question Re: ane Akhenaten on CBS Sunday Morning ane Call for Papers, SBL 2000 - Egyptology and Ancient Israel Section ane ANE: primitive democracy bibliographic reference ane UNESCO: Legal Protection for Cultural Heritage ane Baby talk Re: ane Urukagina, Ishtar/Inanna and tar(a) Etymologies? ane RE: "ARK" MCHUGH? ane Baby Talk Pious and the Profane: call for papers-UW-Seattle ane Ancient Egypt Exibitions Feb. 2000 ane RUNNING EXHIBITIONS ON ANCIENT EGYPT: February 2000 ane Re: primitive democracy bibliographic reference Re: ane RE: "ARK" MCHUGH? ane RE: ABCnews Ark story. Who is John McHugh? ane Re: Dating the Exodus, The Hyksos Expulsion of 1540 BCE ? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 11:00:24 -0000 From: "John Bimson" Subject: Re: ane Plumb lines and building tools Tony, There is a discussion of plumb lines in ancient Egypt (with plenty of references) in the article by James K. Hoffmeier, "Once again the 'Plumb Line' Vision of Amos 7.7-9: An Interpretive Clue from Egypt?" in M. Lubetski, C. Gottlieb & S. Keller (eds.), Boundaries of the Ancient Nr Eastern World (C. H. Gordon Festschrift), JSOTSupp 273, Sheffield Academic Press, 1998, pp. 304-319. I hope it helps! John Bimson. - ----- Original Message ----- From: Papalas, Anthony John To: Sent: Friday, January 28, 2000 1:47 PM Subject: ane Plumb lines and building tools > > > As a historian of Greece and Rome I am invovled in a research project > dealing with building tools, particularly the plumb line, and its effects on > languague and thought. Are there any books or journal articles, with plenty > of foot notes, that deal with plumb lines and other such instruments in > Mesopotamia and Egypt. > > Tony Papalas > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 12:10:06 +0100 From: Michel Bardiaux Subject: Re: ane book question Harriet Martin wrote: > > >The book is Death Comes as the End; Death on the Nile is based on a > > >"modern" Nile cruise. Checking Agatha's autobiography I am reminded > that > > >she said the idea for the plot came Stephen Glanville who also gave a > great > > >deal of help on the historical details. All this was during the war > when > > >she and her husband were separated. > > >Harriet Martin Interesting anecdote: that "Death comes at the end" has been translated into French as "La mort n'est pas une fin" (lit. "Death is not an end") which to me sounds much more 'egyptian' than Christie's original title. - -- Michel Bardiaux ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 09:31:24 -0500 (EST) From: "Steven J. Pickman" Subject: Re: ane Akhenaten on CBS Sunday Morning well .... I'm actually taking a course with her right now on Akhenaten (she is the curator for the armana exhibit at the MFA, Boston) and would think, though I havent seen the broadcast, that she would have replied to the reporters mistaken thoughts to the understanding of "monothestic" religion and how that would not be a correct assertion concerning amarna. I agree though that if a reporter made either of those statements he only did a very superficial analysis (if at all) of the materials present for the period. Steven Pickman Brandeis University Unergrad in Antropology/Archaeology Waltham, MA P.S I gather your reference to capital city is to Akhetaten On Sun, 30 Jan 2000 FucciXXV@aol.com wrote: > I just channel-surfed into CBS Sunday Morning, and came upon a piece in > progress about Akhenaten. An Egyptologist named Rita Fried (I think) had > been interviewed, but it wasn't clear how much she endorsed some of the glib > generalizations made by the voice-over reporter -- for example, Akhenaten was > credited with being "the first male feminist" and his Aten-worship was > referred to as something like "the foundation" or "the basis" of the > monotheism of Judeo-Christianity and Islam. Of course, the reporter also > consistently referred to his capitol city as "Armana," so.... > > Jim Thorn > Chicago, IL > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 08:51:59 -0600 From: "Charles E. Jones" Subject: ane Call for Papers, SBL 2000 - Egyptology and Ancient Israel Section Forwarded on behalf of the undersigned, to whom responses and inquiries should be directed. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx From: "Susan T. Hollis" CALL for PAPERS Society of Biblical Literature Annual Meeting, Nashville, TN , November 18-21, 2000 Egyptology and Ancient Israel Section Two Sessions are planned: 1. Invited Presentations on the topic: Relations Between Egypt and Israel from Solomon to the Fall of Jerusalem. 2. Open Session for papers addressing historical, literary, material, or other relationships between Egypt and Israel during the Pharaonic period. Preference will be given to historical papers related to the invited session. Please submit abstracts by March 1st to Susan Tower Hollis SUNY Empire State College 1475 Winton Road North Rochester, NY 14609-5803 716-224-3246 e-mail: susan.hollis@sln.esc.edu Susan Tower Hollis 755 Elmwood Terrace Rochester, NY 14620 716-256-3273 (home) 716-224-3246 (direct line office) 716-224-3299 (FAX at office) Work e-mail: Susan_Hollis@sln.esc.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 17:46:43 +0200 From: Cynthia Edenburg Subject: ane ANE: primitive democracy bibliographic reference Can someone please supply me with the bibliographic reference to Thorkild Jacobsen's article on primitive democracy? Is is in Towards the Image of Tammuz? Where did it first appear? Thanks, Cynthia Edenburg The Open University of Israel Tel. 972-3-6460500 fax. 972-3-460767 Dept. of History, Philosophy and Jewish Studies POB 39328 Rehov Klausner 16 Ramat Aviv, Tel Aviv 61392 ISRAEL ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 10:13:38 -0600 From: "Charles E. Jones" Subject: ane UNESCO: Legal Protection for Cultural Heritage At the end of January 2000, UNESCO greatly expanded the resources it makes available on Legal Protection for Cultural Heritage. In index of the site is at: http://www.unesco.org/culture/legalprotection/index.html where you'll find documentation on: - -Underwater Cultural Heritage - -Prevention of the Illicit Import, Export and Transfer of Ownership of Cultural Property - -Protection of Cultural Property in the Event of Armed Conflict and so on. - -Chuck Jones- ce-jones@uchicago.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 09:09:38 -0700 From: John Tvedtnes Subject: ane Baby talk Donald R. Vance wrote: > >Similarities between words like "ma" in English and "im" in Hebrew have >led some to posit a sort of ur-language along the lines of the situation >described in the tower of Babel story in Gen 11. But a room-mate of mine >in Chicago was studying linguistics at U of C and he said that the >explanation for these sorts of similarities was baby talk. The similar >words (not just between Hebrew and English, but between multiple >languages) are basic vocabulary using the basic phonemes that a baby >masters first. He made reference to the deictic words in particular >(e.g., "zot" and "this"). Is this a fully developed theory of explanation >for these sorts of similarities or is it something idiosyncratic on my >room-mate's part? It's a well-known phenomenon among linguists. Bilabials are typically the first words pronounced by babies, leading to "mama" and "papa" (or Arabic baba) being rather widespread. For example, the word for "mother" in Quechua (the main language of the Inca empire) is mama. John A. Tvedtnes Brigham Young University ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 12:44:52 -0800 From: "morris silver" Subject: Re: ane Urukagina, Ishtar/Inanna and tar(a) Etymologies? Dear Victor and Listmembers: I have collected a few details and many questions. The Romans attributed to Romulus a vaulted underground chamber called mundus "sky". In Egypt the "door of the sky" was the door of the temple and the "underworld" meant the temple's underground vault. Mesopotamia's "vault of heaven"/"rainbow" signified the arch of the temple gate. In King Gudea's Cylinder: "Its [referring to the new temple for the god Ningursu] curved gate posts standing at the gate were like a rainbow standing in the sky" (Jacobsen). Similarly, in a hymn of the early second millennium from Nippur the "vault (nir-gim-ma) of the temple (the Ekur) is like a rainbow (tir-an-na)" (Sjoberg). In Tablet II of the Neo Assyrian version of Gilgamesh, Enkidu is described as seated in the Tirannu "rainbow." Surely many additional examples must be readily available. With respect to a possible material significance of "heaven" I can only note that the Christian "paradise", from Greek paradeisos or paradisos "enclosed park" is (apparently) etymologically related to the Achaemenid Persion partetash, a term that refers to a place for the storage of grain and other produce. Indeed, Sarna, citing an Aramaic-Akkadian bilingual inscription, suggests that "the real meaning [of eden] is luxuriance." Comments and suggestions appreciated. Best, Morris Morris Silver Department of Economics City College of New York ANCIENT ECONOMIES I http://sondmor.tripod.com/index-html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 10:33:02 -0700 From: John Tvedtnes Subject: ane RE: "ARK" MCHUGH? Randall Larsen wrote: > >I can find no listing for McHugh at the most likely institutions in >Utah--the University of Utah and Brigham Young University. I've lived in Utah for 43 of my 59 years and have taught at both the University of Utah and BYU and I've never heard of John McHugh, nor is he listed in any of the Utah phone directories. John A. Tvedtnes Brigham Young University ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 19:15:11 +0100 From: CRunge@t-online.de Subject: ane Baby Talk Dear John A. Tvedtnes, A complementary remark perhaps could be interesting: In Georgian the word for "mother" is "deda", the word for "father" is "mama". Claus Runge Wilhelmshaven ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 10:57:16 -0800 (PST) From: Scott Noegel Subject: Pious and the Profane: call for papers-UW-Seattle ************ CALL FOR PAPERS. We are inviting submissions for the Annual Conference of the Western Humanities Alliance. Paper abstracts (250 words max.) due March 1, 2000. Complete panel submissions are also welcome. The theme of the conference is outlined below. THE PIOUS AND THE PROFANE - Religion and Public Culture Western Humanities Alliance - 19th Annual Conference The University of Washington, Seattle, WA October 19-21, 2000 The Western Humanities Alliance invites proposals for participation in the 19th Annual Western Humanities Conference on the theme of "The Pious and the Profane, Religion and Public Culture." The purpose of this interdisciplinary conference is to explore from a broad historical and cultural perspective the diverse forms of religiosity as a determinant of any aspect of social and public life. Participants are encouraged to investigate the influence of religion on the shaping of world and material cultures, political discourses, and the arts. The conference will be organized around five general themes: "ritual and ceremony," "place, space, and boundaries," "life and afterlife," "cultures of religion," and "contested discourses." We welcome contributions from any sector of the Humanities, including the disciplines of History, Literature, Art History, Philosophy, Geography, Cultural and Women's Studies, and Religious Studies. Ritual and Ceremony (David Knechtges) Humans long have performed ceremonial acts that are prescribed either by tradition or a ritual code. Papers for this section may address the following issues: the distinction between the "sacred" (or transcendent realm) and the profane; the relationship between ritual and language, myth, literature, and art; ritual as a legitimizing force in human society; ritual as symbolic behavior. Place, Space and Boundaries (Sarah Stein) Papers in this area should focus on the relationship between practices of religion and the construction and experience of spaces: be they private, communal, national, trans-national, post- or neo-colonial. We invite participants to challenge and expand our understanding of the permeable boundary between the pious and profane. Life and the Afterlife (Christine Goettler) Papers in this area may discuss constructions of the afterlife in various societies and cultures. Participants may address, for example, moments of transgression, the clash of competing systems, changing attitudes toward the body and the soul, passages to eternity in visionary experiences and contemporary notions of liminality in Virtual Reality. Cultures of Religion (Brannon Wheeler) Papers in this area should focus on the convergence and interplay of popular and material culture with rituals and beliefs that are associated with religion in a broad sense. Papers may be theoretical and methodological in nature or focused on the comparative analysis of ethnographic and historical examples. Contested Discourses (Eugene Vance) Papers in this section should deal with ways in which the competition (or alliance between) religious and social values within a given social group may be encoded in a contest between discourses, or even languages. How do the discourses of religious controversies conceal or express underlying social conflicts? How is the rise of militant religiosity in cultures throughout the world of our time transforming the nature of modern political discourse? Conference Organizers: Diana Behler, Acting Director Margit Dementi, Associate Director Walter Chapin Simpson Center for the Humanities Conference Committee: Christine Goettler (Art History); David Knechtges (Asian Languages and Literatures); Sarah Stein (History); Eugene Vance (French and Italian); Brannon Wheeler (Near Eastern Languages and Civilization) Please send your proposal to: WHA Conference Committee Walter Chapin Simpson Center for the Humanities University of Washington Lewis Annex 2, Box 353910 Seattle, WA 98195-3910 Tel (206) 543-3920 Fax (206) 685-4080 http://www.uwch.org The institutional sponsors of the Western Humanities Conference are: Arizona State University University of California, Los Angeles Claremont Graduate School University of California, Riverside Reed College University of California, Santa Barbara Scripps College University of California, San Diego Stanford University University of Colorado, Boulder Utah State University University of Oregon University of Arizona University of Southern California University of California, Berkeley University of Utah University of California, Davis University of Washington University of California, Irvine *********************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 19:59:27 +0100 From: Aayko Eyma Subject: ane Ancient Egypt Exibitions Feb. 2000 RUNNING EXHIBITIONS ON ANCIENT EGYPT (AE) ====================================== February 2000 issue - -------------------------------- * = major exhibitions with well over 100 objects in an unique assemblage ! = new in this issue USA (a)* - Boston, MA - "Pharaohs of the Sun" - ends Feb 6, 2000 (b)* - Buffalo, NY - "The Cycle of Life in AE" - ends Sept 2003 (c) - Norwalk, CT - "Boats of the Pharaohs" - ends March 10, 2000 (d)* - Grand Rapids, MI - "Mysteries of Egypt" - ends March 25, 2000 (e) - Lincroft, NJ - "Egyptian installation" - ends Aug 31, 2000 (g) - Atlanta, GA - "Mysteries of the Mummies" /"Aida" - ends April 2001 (i)* - Atlanta, Georgia - "Egyptian Art from the RMO" - ends Sept 4, 2000 (m) - Knoxville, TN - "A Photographic Adventure" - ends July, 2000 (n) - Kansas City, MO - "Echoes of Eternity" - ends May 7, 2000 (q) - Houston, Texas - "Searching for Eternity" - ends Labor Day 2000 (r) - Washington, DC - "Charles Lang Feer and Egypt" - indef. (u) - Boston - "Virtual Egypt" - ends February 27, 2000 CANADA !(a)* - Chatham, Ontario - "Splendors of Egypt" - Feb 4 till April 2, 2000 !(c)* - "Egyptian Art in the Age of pyramids" - Feb 13 till May 22, 2000 UK (c) - Dorset - "Tutankhamun Exhibition" - indef.(?) (d) - Oxford - "Afterlife in AE" - till mid 2000 THE NETHERLANDS (a) - Leiden - "Ritual and Splendor" - ends March 19, 2000 (b) - Ommen - "Tin Pharaohs" - ends April 2000 !(c) - Uden - "Copts and Ethiopians" - ends March 12, 2000 GERMANY (a) - Weiden - "Egyptian Ceramics" - indef. (b) - Essen - "Agatha Christie and the Near East" - ends March 5, 2000 (d) - Hildesheim - "Giza, Hermopolis, Piramesse" - indef. !(g) - Heidelberg - "Loans of the BM" - ends Nov 2000 (k) - Hannover - "Excavations...in Sudan" - ends April 2, 2000 !(l) - Wuerzburg - "Egypt 2000BC: Birth of the Individual" - Feb 10 till May 21, 2000 FRANCE !(d) - Lyon - "Coptos" - Feb 3 till May 7, 2000 GREECE !(b) - Iraklion, Crete - "Crete and Egypt" - ends Sept 2000 BELGIUM (a)* - Tongeren - "Roman Emperors on the Nile" - ends Feb 6, 2000 !(b) - Louvain-la-Neuve - "Calendars" - Feb 1 till Feb 19, 2000 SWITZERLAND (b) - Basel - "Pyramids and Lake Dwellings" - indef. POLAND (a) - Poznan - "Gods, Graves and Mummies" - indef. JAPAN (a) - Nagoya - "Masterpieces of MFA Boston" - ends March 2004 SWEDEN (a) - Boras - "Tutankhamun's Wardrobe" - ends Feb 27, 2000 AUSTRIA (b) - Klagenfurt - "Looking at a Mummy" - ends July 30, 2000 CROATIA (a) - Zagreb - "Gods, Spirits and Demons of AE" - ends March, 2000 FINLAND (a) - Vantaa - "Nile to Indus" - ends March 5, 2000 ================================================= NB: The label of each exhibition (a letter) refers to the website version of EEF NEWS, sections [II] and [X]; URL: http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Alley/4482/EEFNEWS.html If you see something of interest in the above calendar, for your country and area, and perhaps would like to visit, then you may find the full details (museum, description, web links, et.al.) on the EEF NEWS website. If no opening date is given, then that date was before the 1st of this issue's month. That is: the exhibition is open when you read this. NB: Only exhibitions running during the month of this issue are mentioned in the above Calendar; future exhibitions you may find in the NEWS. This Calendar will be updated and posted on the 1st of every month. New entries not in previous issues will be signalled with an '!'. Please send any contributions to: ayma@tip.nl (Aayko Eyma) EEF NEWS is a newsletter that also contains other Egyptological news bits, like lectures, conferences, web links, book releases, et.al. Please do not copy this Calendar to other public forums without permission. Copyright (c) 2000 A.K. Eyma ================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 13:33:47 -0600 From: "Charles E. Jones" Subject: ane RUNNING EXHIBITIONS ON ANCIENT EGYPT: February 2000 From: Aayko Eyma RUNNING EXHIBITIONS ON ANCIENT EGYPT (AE) ====================================== February 2000 issue - -------------------------------- * = major exhibitions with well over 100 objects in an unique assemblage ! = new in this issue USA (a)* - Boston, MA - "Pharaohs of the Sun" - ends Feb 6, 2000 (b)* - Buffalo, NY - "The Cycle of Life in AE" - ends Sept 2003 (c) - Norwalk, CT - "Boats of the Pharaohs" - ends March 10, 2000 (d)* - Grand Rapids, MI - "Mysteries of Egypt" - ends March 25, 2000 (e) - Lincroft, NJ - "Egyptian installation" - ends Aug 31, 2000 (g) - Atlanta, GA - "Mysteries of the Mummies" /"Aida" - ends April 2001 (i)* - Atlanta, Georgia - "Egyptian Art from the RMO" - ends Sept 4, 2000 (m) - Knoxville, TN - "A Photographic Adventure" - ends July, 2000 (n) - Kansas City, MO - "Echoes of Eternity" - ends May 7, 2000 (q) - Houston, Texas - "Searching for Eternity" - ends Labor Day 2000 (r) - Washington, DC - "Charles Lang Feer and Egypt" - indef. (u) - Boston - "Virtual Egypt" - ends February 27, 2000 CANADA !(a)* - Chatham, Ontario - "Splendors of Egypt" - Feb 4 till April 2, 2000 !(c)* - "Egyptian Art in the Age of pyramids" - Feb 13 till May 22, 2000 UK (c) - Dorset - "Tutankhamun Exhibition" - indef.(?) (d) - Oxford - "Afterlife in AE" - till mid 2000 THE NETHERLANDS (a) - Leiden - "Ritual and Splendor" - ends March 19, 2000 (b) - Ommen - "Tin Pharaohs" - ends April 2000 !(c) - Uden - "Copts and Ethiopians" - ends March 12, 2000 GERMANY (a) - Weiden - "Egyptian Ceramics" - indef. (b) - Essen - "Agatha Christie and the Near East" - ends March 5, 2000 (d) - Hildesheim - "Giza, Hermopolis, Piramesse" - indef. !(g) - Heidelberg - "Loans of the BM" - ends Nov 2000 (k) - Hannover - "Excavations...in Sudan" - ends April 2, 2000 !(l) - Wuerzburg - "Egypt 2000BC: Birth of the Individual" - Feb 10 till May 21, 2000 FRANCE !(d) - Lyon - "Coptos" - Feb 3 till May 7, 2000 GREECE !(b) - Iraklion, Crete - "Crete and Egypt" - ends Sept 2000 BELGIUM (a)* - Tongeren - "Roman Emperors on the Nile" - ends Feb 6, 2000 !(b) - Louvain-la-Neuve - "Calendars" - Feb 1 till Feb 19, 2000 SWITZERLAND (b) - Basel - "Pyramids and Lake Dwellings" - indef. POLAND (a) - Poznan - "Gods, Graves and Mummies" - indef. JAPAN (a) - Nagoya - "Masterpieces of MFA Boston" - ends March 2004 SWEDEN (a) - Boras - "Tutankhamun's Wardrobe" - ends Feb 27, 2000 AUSTRIA (b) - Klagenfurt - "Looking at a Mummy" - ends July 30, 2000 CROATIA (a) - Zagreb - "Gods, Spirits and Demons of AE" - ends March, 2000 FINLAND (a) - Vantaa - "Nile to Indus" - ends March 5, 2000 ================================================= NB: The label of each exhibition (a letter) refers to the website version of EEF NEWS, sections [II] and [X]; URL: http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Alley/4482/EEFNEWS.html If you see something of interest in the above calendar, for your country and area, and perhaps would like to visit, then you may find the full details (museum, description, web links, et.al.) on the EEF NEWS website. If no opening date is given, then that date was before the 1st of this issue's month. That is: the exhibition is open when you read this. NB: Only exhibitions running during the month of this issue are mentioned in the above Calendar; future exhibitions you may find in the NEWS. This Calendar will be updated and posted on the 1st of every month. New entries not in previous issues will be signalled with an '!'. Please send any contributions to: ayma@tip.nl (Aayko Eyma) EEF NEWS is a newsletter that also contains other Egyptological news bits, like lectures, conferences, web links, book releases, et.al. Please do not copy this Calendar to other public forums without permission. Copyright (c) 2000 A.K. Eyma ================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 14:37:34 From: "Richard S. Ellis" Subject: ane Re: primitive democracy bibliographic reference At 05:46 PM 1/31/2000 +0200, Cynthia Edenburg wrote: >Can someone please supply me with the bibliographic reference to Thorkild >Jacobsen's article on primitive democracy? Is is in Towards the Image of >Tammuz? Yes: Jacobsen, Thorkild 1970 Early political development in Mesopotamia. In William L. Moran, ed., Toward the Image of Tammuz and Other Essays on Mesopotamian History and Culture. Harvard Semitic Series, 21, pp. 132-56. Jacobsen, Thorkild 1970 Primitive democracy in ancient Mesopotamia. In William L. Moran, ed., Toward the image of Tammuz and other essays on Mesopotamian history and culture. Harvard Semitic Series, 21, pp. 157-70. Where did it first appear? That, I don't seem to have in my database. Dick Ellis 40 00' 24" N 75 17' 09" W ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 18:29:47 -0400 From: "Peter T. Daniels" Subject: Re: ane RE: "ARK" MCHUGH? John Tvedtnes wrote: > > Randall Larsen wrote: > > > >I can find no listing for McHugh at the most likely institutions in > >Utah--the University of Utah and Brigham Young University. > > I've lived in Utah for 43 of my 59 years and have taught at both the > University of Utah and BYU and I've never heard of John McHugh, nor is he > listed in any of the Utah phone directories. Have y'all tried getting in touch with the producers of whatever program this report appeared on? (Was it a news story, or something along the lines of Nova?) - -- Peter T. Daniels grammatim@worldnet.att.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 21:21:32 -1000 From: "Randall Larsen" Subject: ane RE: ABCnews Ark story. Who is John McHugh? Listmembers, I'm following up on the ABCnews item about the story of the Black sea flood being "written" in the stars. John McHugh the Utah archaeologist mentioned in the story does not appear to be affiliated with any of these universities in Utah: UofU, BYU, Utah State, Weber State. I did a web search on John McHugh--a U.S. congressman, a computer scientist, a dead Irish tenor, and a dead English potter turned up. I also found a translator of a book on the Israelites. Could this be our John McHugh? Roland de Vaux, Ancient Israel, Its Life and Institutions, John McHugh, trans. (New York: McGraw-Hill Book Co., 1961) I am going to check the archaeologists directories next. Does anyone know who the mysterious "Ark" researcher might be? I'm still waiting for a reply from ABCnews. kind regards, Randall Larsen University of Hawaii at Manoa George 334 larsenr@hawaii.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 15:28:17 +0800 From: JOE.J.BAKER@centrelink.gov.au Subject: ane Re: Dating the Exodus, The Hyksos Expulsion of 1540 BCE ? Walter Mattfeld in a post of 30 Jan stated "480 years. as the interval of time between the Exodus and Solomon's 4th year ... is actually exceeded by a more careful compilation of the chronologies in the book of Judges and Samuel" This is not surprising, if you adopt the theory of multiple authors, for the 480 years is a figure of the P school deliberately placed in 1 Kings 6:1 (one of the few P additions to this book) while the numbers in Judges and Samuel derive from chronicle sources with deutronomic additions. Another (and better) way of explaining the 480 year period in 1 Kings 6:1 is by symmetry. That is the time period from the Exodus to the start on the temple has been set to the same length as the period from the start of the temple to the 'exodus/return' from Babylon. A P writer, living in Babylon, in mid-Persian times, could calculate the later period from access to the deuteronomic Book of Kings, the Babylonian king list and a document similar to that of Ezra 1-6 (the edict in the first year of Cyrus would be viewed as the year the exiles returned). Starting with the original temple chronicle entry at 1 Kings 6:1 (which has the typical annal formulae "in the fourth year ... of King Solomon) he would calculate the years as 37 remaining to Solomon ( inclusive = 40- (4-1)), 394 of his successors (17,3,41,25,8,1,7,40,29,52,16,16,29,55,2,31,11,11), 25 remaining to Nabukudurriusur (inclusive = 43-(19-1)), 23 of his successors (2,4,17), 1 to Cyrus. He then inserted his chronological notice of 480 years in to 1 Kings 6:1 to complete the priestly chronological structure found in Genesis and Exodus (note 480 is written in typical P manner as "eighty years and four hundred years" - whereas a chronicle source or deuteronomic addition would have written "eight hundred and forty years") Furthermore Mattfeld says "Redford's investigations led him to conclude there was ... a "Historical kernal" behind the Exodus and that was the Hyksos expulsion under Pharaoh Ahmoses I"" From Egyptian sources Manetho knew of two expulsions of the Hyksos (whom he links with Jerusalem), the first under Ahmose and the second under Sethnakht (when they aided the lepers). He also knew, from the Jewish population in Egypt, that their ancestors were said to have escaped from Egypt under the son of the pharaoh who had built R'mss. This was a clear link to Ramesses 2, who built PrR'mssw, and so his son Merenptah would have to be the pharaoh of the exodus. However, as with his attempt to satisfy the Greek legends, Manetho found it difficult to reconcile his sources and as a result he ended up duplicating some of the kings of the 19th and 20th dynasties. Thus we have the pairing Merenptah/Sethnakht as Amenophis/Ammenephthis (son of Ramesses/Rampses and the father of Sethos Ramesses). An approximate date for the Exodus (which IMO only involved a relatively small group of people but their exploit and renown grew in the years to become the official foundation legend) is preserved in Judges 11:15b-17. This is part of a letter (taken from some source and reapplied to another story) which Jehoram of Israel sent to Mesha of Moab in 851 B.C. In it Jehoram puts forward his claim to Israelite territory recently conquered by Mesha. His claim is based on the recently completed "Origin of Israel" (for want of a better name) by JE (I see JE as a single author who successfully welded all the conflicting accounts of the people of Israel into a single unified story). Jehoram claims this land by right of conquest, for 300 years earlier, the Israelites while marching north had deliberately circled Moab to attack and capture much of the land now in dispute. (Mesha in his inscription rejected this claim saying the Gadites (Israelites) had occupied this land for as long as anyone could remember). Using this source and date the Exodus is placed at (851+300+40= ) 1191 B.C. which given the roundness of the numbers is pretty close to Merenptah, 1213-1204 B.C. Regards Joe Baker ------------------------------ End of ANE Digest V2000 #32 *************************** Back issues are available on the Oriental Institute World-Wide Web (WWW) site at: http://oi.uchicago.edu/OI/ANE/OI_ANE.html