From: owner-ane@ (ANE Digest) To: ane-digest Subject: ANE Digest V2000 #46 Reply-To: Sender: owner-ane@ Errors-To: owner-ane@ Precedence: bulk ANE Digest Tuesday, February 15 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 046 Re: ane 3 Questions: Elibaal & Abibaal, Dnn, Qarqar RE; ane Heka khasout ane BM Department of Egyptian Antiquities News ane leprosy ane RE: The Black Sea Flood and Fresh Water.... ane Book: GUDEA'S TEMPLE BUILDING Re: ane RE: The Black Sea Flood and Fresh Water.... ane Job: Walters Art Gallery Re: ane Proposal: Hittite Bibliographical database Re: ane RE: The Black Sea Flood and Fresh Water.... Re: ane leprosy ane so-called restoration stela Re: ane leprosy ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 12:51:17 +0100 From: Banyai@t-online.de (Banyai Michael) Subject: Re: ane 3 Questions: Elibaal & Abibaal, Dnn, Qarqar Rex H. McTyeire wrote: > > "Banyai Michael" says: > >But the oldest mention of Danuna=Achaioi is > > also just Homer. So quite late too. Nothing of the like in Pylos or > Knossos. A little error of mine, Tanaja reference during 18th Dyn. with city names from mainland Greece. From the viewpoint of my argument not so important, since I do not contest the use of the name Danaoi by the Achaians but only state it came to Greece via Danuna. > See my previous to G. Athas, Banyai (How are you BTW?) Very well thank you. > IF Danuna is > Danaan..then Homer is not alone. Pelasgi are placed in Knossos pre-Troy, > and Danaans (from Pelasgi/Argives/Acheans) in Knossos post-Troy. The > difference between Pelasgi and Danaan boiling down to just that: 1) pre-Troy > indigenous and 2) post-Troy new arrivals from the mainland, Pelasgians > formerly under Danaus. The difference Pelasgi wise on many Med islands, > seems to be that they were not alone and not in majority: Cyprus, Crete, > Sicily and others. (In many Aegean Islands, they did represent the > controling or dominant majority..until displaced by cousins from the Greek > mainland.) The pattern in Anatolia ( many areas-not just South and coastal): > New post-Troy Dannaans dominating a older majority former Pelasgi element. I must differ on this scheme, also because of the Tanaja refference. An in depth analysis of the Diodorus quote (and he is quoting a Phrigian poet contemporary with Homer) would reveal following reconstituted sequence of events: The Achaians come to later Danuna and expell the Jaman who fleed to Crete. (there is an attestation of Jaman in the Ugaritic texts "Jaman where the bulls roam" or the like in the region near Ugarit) It must be connected in Greece with the Minoans and Jaman/Jawan=Ionians. Flight of Danaos from Egypt and conquest of Danuna, the Achaians subdue and mingle with the Danaians. Periclitation of Crete by a Chronaian conquest. Chronaioi is the name of a Pelasgian clan expelled at a late time point from Athens. The Pelasgian conquest, perhaps known from the Greek myth of the conquest of Thrace by the Mysians and Troyans, and marked archaeologically by the sweep of minic gray pottery, with its center by Troy. Request of help from side of the Cretans adressed to the Danuna/Achaioi. Danaos comes to Greece. Perhaps occurs this during the short moment of decadence of the old Hettite empire. Of course some deal of speculation but respecting the archaeological facts. Best regards, Banyai Michael ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 06:07:01 -0600 From: Katherine Griffis Subject: RE; ane Heka khasout On Feb 13, 2000 Thérèse Ghembaza wrote: Subject: ane Heka khasout >Already on the 6th dynasty, Egyptians called the various Nubians and >Lybians people recruited by Uni "Heka khasout". For this reason and because >we know that in the Second Intermediate Period "Ethiopians" had reached >Memphis, then joined their military forces with those of the Asiatics of >the delta, I wonder if the so frightening and devastating "Hyksos" invaders >were not some ferocious Ethiopian Shasu and not the princes of Retenu >ruling in Avaris. >By other part, I wonder if the term "heka khasout" as one of the titles of >Khyan Se-user-en-re, is exactly similar with the title given by the >Egyptians to the chief of the Asiatic tribe of Iabesh (= Iahr-beth : the >house of god Iahr ?) arrived in Egypt under the reign of Senusret II as >represented in the tomb of Khnum-hotep II in Beni-hasan ? >Looking forward to your opinion, with best regards. The term we use as "Hyksos" is HqA-XA-swt, or literally, "rulers of foreign lands." It is a generic term referring to any non-Egyptian ruler of a land other than Egypt, as far as I know. Similarly, areas outside of Egypt, such as Punt, Sinai, Lebanon, Syria, Nubia, oases, and so on, are all called tA-NTr, or the "Gods' land." The connection between the Hyksos and the Nubians is documented through the Kamose Stela (see John Wilson's translation of this Stela in ANET:232-233] in which he recounts a message intercepted between the Hyksos ruler, from the north, requesting military strategic aid from the Nubian ruler to the south. The stela of Kamose makes clear distinctions of the Pharaoh referring to being between a "Prince in Avaris" and "another in Ethiopia [Kush]," and between "an Asiatic and a Nubian." For this act, Kamose came down heavy on the Nubians after the eventual routing of the Hyksos from Egypt, but I can see no direct connection that equates the two peoples. As someone else has pointed out, the "Shasu" is a term given for nomadic peoples, on those who "move on foot" /SAs/. Redford notes in his _Egypt, Israel and Canaan in Ancient Times_, that beginning as early as the Fifth Dynasty, however, the term came to refer to people encountered by the Egyptians from the north. While related to the types of people today called the Bedouin, Redford notes the major distinction being that all travel was completely by foot, without the use of camels. During the New Kingdom (18th Dynasty) through Third Intermediate Period, the "localization" of the term becomes even more specific, and appears to refer to nomadic brigands situated in the Levant areas of Edom, Laban, Sam'ath (Redford notes as the Shim'ethites, a clan of the Kenites: I Chronicles 2:55), and an area called Wrbr, possibly Wady Hasa, as well as other references to Shasu in these areas. However, I have yet to see a reference, nor does Redford note any, to the "Shasu" of the Nubians. SEE: _Ancient Near Eastern Texts Relating to the Old Testament_, (Third Edition, Revised, with Suppl), James B. Pritchard, (Princeton: Princeton, 1969). (Referred to above as "ANET"). _Egypt, Israel and Canaan in Ancient Times_, Donald B. Redford, (Princeton: Princeton, 1992). Regards -- Katherine Griffis-Greenberg University of Alabama at Birmingham UAB Options/Special Studies http://www.griffis-consulting.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 09:34:45 -0600 From: "Charles E. Jones" Subject: ane BM Department of Egyptian Antiquities News Forwarded on behalf of the undersigned, to whom responses and inquiries should be directed. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx From: Nigel Strudwick BRITISH MUSEUM The Department of Egyptian Antiquities announces its next International Colloquium: "The Theban Necropolis: Past, Present and Future" 27 28 July 2000 More information can be found at: http://www.british-museum.ac.uk/egyptian/EA/coll2000.html and a PDF version of the information sheet and application form at: http://www.british-museum.ac.uk/egyptian/EA/Flyer.pdf - ------------------------------------------------ BRITISH MUSEUM The Department of Egyptian Antiquities announces the Raymond and Beverly Sackler Foundation Distinguished Lecture in Egyptology 2000: "The Ramesside Tomb and the Construction of Sacred Space" 26 July 2000, 18:00, Brunei Gallery Lecture Theatre, SOAS More information can be found at: http://www.british-museum.ac.uk/egyptian/EA/sack2000.html Nigel Strudwick ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 08:13:57 -0500 From: Jim West Subject: ane leprosy Hi, is anyone aware of the legal traditions regarding leprosy in syrian culture in the 10-5th c. BCE? Thanks, Jim ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Jim West, ThD jwest@highland.net http://web.infoave.net/~jwest ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 10:04:30 -0600 From: Steve Zoraster Subject: ane RE: The Black Sea Flood and Fresh Water.... With regards to Ryan and Pitman's theory about the flooding of the Black Sea, now supported by evidence from Ballard, I have one question. First, let me quote from a National Geographic web page: Using a plain dredge box, Ballard scooped up a bucket of shells from the ancient shoreline. He sent them to ... (The) Academy of Natural Sciences in Philadelphia, for analysis, and the findings were astounding: Two were shells of extinct fresh-water mollusks, presumably from the pre-flood, fresh-water Black Sea. Seven were salt water mollusks, from the post-flood era. Now for my question: Why was the pre-flood Black Sea fresh-water? I thought that any sea without an outlet would become salt water given a few thousand years. According to my dictionary, the nearby Caspian Sea - for example - is salt water. Thanks, Steven Zoraster ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 10:58:59 -0600 From: "Charles E. Jones" Subject: ane Book: GUDEA'S TEMPLE BUILDING From a colleague came this posting on a new book: =============================================== GUDEA'S TEMPLE BUILDING:The Representation of an Early Mesopotamian Ruler in Text and Image, by Claudia E. SUTER. Cuneiform Monograph 17. Gronigen: Styx Publications, 2000. 347 pp., 101 figs. 3 plates. ISBN 90 5693 035 4. HFL 275/$112. Distributors: Europe: Styx Publications, Sales & Distribution, P.O. Box 43, NL-9400 AA Assen, The Netherlands. Phone 31 592 379 555, fax 31 592 379 551, e-mail assen@vgorcum.nl. USA and Canada: University Museum Publications, The University Museum, 33rd & Spruce Streets, Philadelphia PA 19104-6324, USA. Phone 215 898 5723. Gudea of Lagash, who ruled at the end of the third millennium B.C., wanted to be remembered as a temple builder. An extensive narrative inscribed on two huge clay cylinders, one of the longest and best preserved Sumerian texts, recounts his construction of the temple of Ningirsu, Lagash's patron deity. More than sixty sculpted limestone fragments belong to several stelae erected in the temples Gudea built and depict their construction. A large number of various inscribed, and often sculpted, artifacts provide additional information on Gudea's activities. This study treats all this visual and textual material as a coherent corpus for the first time. It analyses contents, narrative structure, composition and message. Text and image are compared to elucidate the characteristics of each medium and to arrive at a comprehensive picture of the royal rhetoric of the time. The book includes a catalogue of all artifacts, and a translation of selected text passages. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 12:45:36 EST From: GRFoote@aol.com Subject: Re: ane RE: The Black Sea Flood and Fresh Water.... In a message dated 2/14/00 8:08:27 AM Pacific Standard Time, szoraster@zycor.lgc.com writes: << Now for my question: Why was the pre-flood Black Sea fresh-water? I thought that any sea without an outlet would become salt water given a few thousand years. According to my dictionary, the nearby Caspian Sea - for example - is salt water. >> The Black Sea began filling with glacial melt-off ca 14,500 ya. For the ensuing 3000 yrs the meltwater primarily flowed south from the glaciers, into the Black Sea. There was an outlet from the sea into the lower Mediterranean roughly where the Sakarya River is now. During the Younger Dryas cold event, ca 12,800 - 12,000 ya, meltwater flow ceased. When it resumed, meltwater flowed north and the Black Sea receded at the same time the ocean level (and the Mediterranean) rose. At some point after, the Black Sea lost its outlet. Undoubtedly it steadily became more brackish as it receded, but the mollusk record indicates that by the time of the flood at 76000 ya, it was still sufficiently fresh to support freshwater fauna. Hope this helps. Regards Randy Foote ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 12:23:26 -0600 From: "Charles E. Jones" Subject: ane Job: Walters Art Gallery Forwarded on behalf of the undersigned, to whom responses and inquiries should be directed. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Curator of Ancient Art. The Walters Art Gallery, Baltimore, seeks an experienced, energetic, and innovative scholar to head the department of ancient art, consisting of 3,200 works of Ancient Near Eastern, Egyptian, Greek, Etruscan, and Roman art. Expertise in Egyptian art preferred, with specialty in Greek and or Roman art also considered. Candidates must be team players and sensitive to diverse audiences, possess excellent communication and interpersonal skills, and value the collection's public role. Responsibilities include research, interpretation, installation, and publication of collection; development of exhibition projects; recommendation of acquisitions/deaccessions and solicitation of gifts; full partlclpatlon in the museum's education and public programs and in all curatorial-related activities (loan acquisitions review, exhibition reviews, grant writing); active contribution to scholarship in field of expertise. Candidates must have five to eight years' professional experience and a Ph.D. in art history and or related field, and or equivalent experience in the field, including a record of publication and exhibition organization. Salary commensurate with experience. Excellent benefits. Please send letter of interest, resume including names of three references, and selected publications to: Brenda Jackson, Dept. of Human Resources, Walters Art Gallery, 600 N. Charles St. Baltimore, MD 21201. An EEO/AA employer. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 14:07:54 -0500 From: Patrick Durusau Subject: Re: ane Proposal: Hittite Bibliographical database Greetings, Harry Hoffner's suggestion for an online bibliography is similar in some respects to a project under consideration now by the SBL to provide a public mechanism for creation/maintenance of a bibliography of literature on biblical Hebrew. We are still in the planning stages but the software and web interface (to be developed) for that project (mainly concerned with bibliographic information) should be easy to adapt to the needs expressed. I would caution against the use of commercial formats (such as used by EndNote, which I am sure is very useful software) since that can reduce long term accessibility to the information. The SGML or XML files that I create today will remain usable so long as the storage media remains readable. That claim that cannot be made by any proprietary format for data. Proprietary formats require either the original software or something that will convert from that format and hardware that can run that software. SGML/XML files can be used by any hardware that has the proper software without regard to the platform or software used to create the file. > Before volunteering to be the overseer of such a central clearing house (a > time-consuming task that I am loath to consider) I would like to know what > you colleagues think about the idea. Even if we did not decide on such a > comprehensive solution to the problem, I would personally like to see as > many of us as are willing send to each other our own complete > bibliographies. Mine will be appearing in print in the Festschrift > officially shown to me in manuscript form and due to be published in about > a year by Eisenbrauns of Winona Lake, Indiana. But I would be happy to send > electronic copies of my personal bibliography to anyone requesting it. I am unaware of similar projects but I think your idea has a great deal of merit in hittotology as well as other areas of ANE studies. I can imagine the OI or similar institution hosting a public database for bibliographic information that is maintained by individual contributions of scholars and their students. (We should bear in mind that most of the software that powers the Internet/WWW was written by a diverse community of individuals, each contributing small portions of computer code to a larger project. If the largest network yet know can be built by such contributions it seems to me that the academic community should be able to construct some very useful bibliographies using a similar technique. Patrick. - -- Patrick Durusau Society of Biblical Literature pdurusau@emory.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 13:19:40 -0800 From: Mitch Allen Subject: Re: ane RE: The Black Sea Flood and Fresh Water.... This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------13336F1DDCB2EA5748C65D2C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It is not unique in not being salinated. The hamun lakes in southwest Afghanistan are the end point of the Helmand River and, while brackish, are also fresh water lakes inhabited by plants, fish, and birds. mitch allen GRFoote@aol.com wrote: > > The Black Sea began filling with glacial melt-off ca 14,500 ya. For the > ensuing 3000 yrs the meltwater primarily flowed south from the glaciers, into > the Black Sea. There was an outlet from the sea into the lower Mediterranean > roughly where the Sakarya River is now. During the Younger Dryas cold > event, ca 12,800 - 12,000 ya, meltwater flow ceased. When it resumed, > meltwater flowed north and the Black Sea receded at the same time the ocean > level (and the Mediterranean) rose. At some point after, the Black Sea lost > its outlet. Undoubtedly it steadily became more brackish as it receded, but > the mollusk record indicates that by the time of the flood at 76000 ya, it > was still sufficiently fresh to support freshwater fauna. > > Hope this helps. > > Regards > Randy Foote - --------------13336F1DDCB2EA5748C65D2C Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="mallen.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Mitch Allen Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="mallen.vcf" begin:vcard n:Allen;Mitch tel;fax:925 933-9720 tel;work:925 938-7243 x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:www.altamirapress.com org:AltaMira Press;A Division of Rowman & Littlefield Publishers, Inc. adr:;;1630 N. Main Street, #367;Walnut Creek;CA;94596; version:2.1 email;internet:mallen@altamirapress.com title:Publisher end:vcard - --------------13336F1DDCB2EA5748C65D2C-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 13:55:16 PST From: "Dana Brown" Subject: Re: ane leprosy Jim, The Bible (Leviticus chapter 13) tells us that a mustache is the Biblical sign of leprosy. Its the covering of the upper lip. Smile! Dana DanaeBrown@hotmail.com >From: Jim West >Reply-To: Jim West >To: ane@oi.uchicago.edu >Subject: ane leprosy >Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 08:13:57 -0500 > >Hi, >is anyone aware of the legal traditions regarding leprosy in syrian culture >in the 10-5th c. BCE? > >Thanks, > >Jim > >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > >Jim West, ThD >jwest@highland.net >http://web.infoave.net/~jwest > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2000 07:39:22 -0800 From: "osarsiph" Subject: ane so-called restoration stela This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01BF54F4.7C973160 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 Many of us are familiar with the so-called Restoration Stela of = Tutankamum in which he claims that the temples had fallen into disrepair and that he = promised to restore them. This is traditionally attributed to neglect brought = about during the reign of Akhenaten. 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- ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01BF54F4.7C973160-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 07:55:11 +0200 (IST) From: avigdor horovitz Subject: Re: ane leprosy before you start bringing in biblical texts with relevance to "leprosy" you had better discuss, or clarify what the person who asked means by "leprosy". It is well known that the biblical set of skin inflamations called zara`at have nothing to do with what is nowadays called leprosy, the connection going back to a misunderstanding in the LXX. Have a look at Milgrom's Leviticus for full discussion. Victor On Mon, 14 Feb 2000, Dana Brown wrote: > Jim, > > The Bible (Leviticus chapter 13) tells us that a mustache is the Biblical > sign of leprosy. Its the covering of the upper lip. Smile! > > Dana > DanaeBrown@hotmail.com > > > > >From: Jim West > >Reply-To: Jim West > >To: ane@oi.uchicago.edu > >Subject: ane leprosy > >Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 08:13:57 -0500 > > > >Hi, > >is anyone aware of the legal traditions regarding leprosy in syrian culture > >in the 10-5th c. BCE? > > > >Thanks, > > > >Jim > > > >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > > >Jim West, ThD > >jwest@highland.net > >http://web.infoave.net/~jwest > > > > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ------------------------------ End of ANE Digest V2000 #46 *************************** Back issues are available on the Oriental Institute World-Wide Web (WWW) site at: http://oi.uchicago.edu/OI/ANE/OI_ANE.html