From: owner-ane@ (ANE Digest) To: ane-digest Subject: ANE Digest V2001 #45 Reply-To: Sender: owner-ane@ Errors-To: owner-ane@ Precedence: bulk ANE Digest Friday, February 16 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 045 ane Q: Thera and Egyptian Chronology Re: ane Q: Thera and Egyptian Chronology ane American Society of Papyrologists: papyrology.org ane clothing conference: call for papers ane Web-cast mini-conference on scrolls and copyright Re: ane Q: Thera and Egyptian Chronology ane Samson mentally ill? Re: ane Samson mentally ill? ane Univ. of Sydney Archaeological Excavations in Uzbekistan ane AIAC prize 2001 ane where is Samson's childhood recorded? ane The depiction of children in Egypt from 305 B.C.E. to 300 A.D. ane Ugarit and Minet el-Beida ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 12:25:42 +0100 From: Werner Subject: ane Q: Thera and Egyptian Chronology Dear ANErs I suspect this thread has shown up more than once, but not in the time frame i have attended to the list, so i'll risk to put out the question again After a chance viewing, a couple of weeks ago, half aslept after a Sunday siesta, of an Discovery Channel broadcast about the Thera Island, which stated that some C14 test on preeruption levels -IIRC- had been performed in Denmark (when?) i started a search for the data in the web, with not so much meaningful results But on this search i revisited (beside others) Jeremy Rutter's, SCIEM2000's (Bietak et al.), Peter James' and Sturt Manning's web sites. After a little thinking i came across a couple of fundamental questions i can't resolve let to my (scarce, secondary and random) available resources: - - Which, and how strong, are the synchronisms between Egypt and Creta, which would allow, if a fixed absolute date for the Thera Eruption were given, to anchor an egyptian Chronology ? - - How much drift would they, anyhow, allow to the latter ? - - Under the previous assumptions, What would imply to the egyptian chronology, and specially in regard to the CoD hypotesis, fixing the Thera Eruption in, say, 1627 BC vs, say, 1450 BC Maybe some of my questions are dumb, but i'm only an interested outsider of the field, so please excuse me. Regards Werner Ll‡cer Project Manager AG Andaluc’a y Extremadura SL mailto: personal@wernerllacer.com werner@agaex.com werner@ceh.junta-andalucia.es ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 04:24:23 -0800 (PST) From: John Wall Subject: Re: ane Q: Thera and Egyptian Chronology - --- Werner wrote: > Dear ANErs > I suspect this thread has shown up more than once, but not in the time > frame i have attended to the list, so i'll risk to put out the question again > After a chance viewing, a couple of weeks ago, half aslept after a > Sunday siesta, of an Discovery Channel broadcast about the Thera Island, > which stated that some C14 test on preeruption levels -IIRC- had been > performed in > Denmark (when?) i started a search for the data in the web, with not so > much meaningful results > But on this search i revisited (beside others) Jeremy Rutter's, > SCIEM2000's (Bietak et al.), Peter James' and Sturt Manning's web sites. > After a little thinking i came across a couple of fundamental questions > i can't resolve let to my (scarce, secondary and random) available resources: > - Which, and how strong, are the synchronisms between Egypt and Creta, > which would allow, if a fixed absolute date for the Thera Eruption were > given, to anchor an egyptian Chronology ? > - How much drift would they, anyhow, allow to the latter ? > - Under the previous assumptions, What would imply to the egyptian > chronology, and specially in regard to the CoD hypotesis, fixing the > Thera Eruption in, say, 1627 BC vs, say, 1450 BC > > Maybe some of my questions are dumb, but i'm only an interested outsider > of the field, so please excuse me. > Regards > Werner Ll‡cer > Project Manager AG Andaluc’a y Extremadura SL > mailto: personal@wernerllacer.com > werner@agaex.com > werner@ceh.junta-andalucia.es Thera is, AFAIK, pretty unambiguously tied to the first part of the 18th dynasty. There are, IIRC, plenty of pottery/artifact links between the Minoan and Egyptian civilisations and Thera is towards the end of LMIA but before LMIB. All the best, John Wall England __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 08:23:49 -0600 From: "Charles E. Jones" Subject: ane American Society of Papyrologists: papyrology.org From: "William A. Johnson" Announcement: The American Society of Papyrologists now maintains a web site at the easily recalled URL: http://www.papyrology.org (or simple "papyrology.org" will do) This site contains information on the society itself, on BASP (including a table of contents for BASP 2000, just now going to press), on the ASP Monograph series, and on ASP panels at the American Philological Association annual meeting and at the Society for Biblical Literature annual meeting. We also maintain a convenient set of links to direct explorations into papyrologically-interesting web materials. The site was originally developed by Jennifer Sheridan, once and long-time Secretary-Treasurer of the society. The site is presently maintained on one of the Classics Department servers at the University of Cincinnati. William A. Johnson Treasurer, American Society of Papyrologists University of Cincinnati - -- ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Charles E. Jones Research Associate - Bibliographer The Oriental Institute - Chicago 1155 E. 58th St. Chicago IL 60637-1569 USA Voice (773) 702-9537 Fax (773) 702-9853 ce-jones@uchicago.edu http://oi.uchicago.edu/OI/DEPT/RA/Research_Arch.html ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 08:24:03 -0600 From: "Charles E. Jones" Subject: ane clothing conference: call for papers The Clothed Body in the Ancient World An international conference organised by the Open University and the University of Birmingham to be held at Milton Keynes, UK On 17-19 January 2002 CALL FOR PAPERS The study of dress in antiquity has had a renaissance in recent scholarship. This conference aims to bring together ancient historians, costume historians, textile experts, archaeologists, fashion theorists, art historians and anthropologists in order to widen the debate and enhance our current understanding of the role of dress in ancient societies. We welcome papers on the clothed body in ancient Egypt, the Near East, Greece, Rome and Byzantium. Offers of papers in the following areas will be especially welcome: á Methodology of dress history á Dress as display á Dress and eroticism á Dress and modesty á Dress and social control á Dress and ritual á Dress and identity á Dress and the economy á Dress and art á Reception of ancient dress (from the Middle Ages to the twentieth century) á Papers on specific dress items and accessories: wigs, cosmetics, footwear. Enquiries and abstracts (in duplicate; 300 words by 31st July 2001) to Dr Lloyd Llewellyn-Jones, Dept. Classical Studies, Arts Faculty, The Open University, Walton Hall, Milton Keynes, UK. MK6 7AA; { HYPERLINK "mailto:l.j.llewellyn-jones@open.ac.uk" }l.j.llewellyn-jones@open.ac.uk Dr Mary Harlow, Centre for Byzantine, Ottoman and Modern Greek Studies, University of Birmingham, Edgbaston, Birmingham UK B15 2TT; { HYPERLINK "mailto:m.e.harlow@bham.ac.uk" }m.e.harlow@bham.ac.uk ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 08:23:57 -0600 From: "Charles E. Jones" Subject: ane Web-cast mini-conference on scrolls and copyright Forwarded from the Orion List: Haifa University will be holding a mini-conference on the Dead Sea Scrolls and copyright law on March 5, 16:00-19:00 (GMT+200). This may be of special interest to you folks because the conference will be web-cast and surfers will be able to send in questions, in real time. Details are on the Bulletin Board of the Orion site. http://orion.mscc.huji.ac.il/resources/board.shtml#copyright Avital Avital Pinnick, Ph.D. tel: 972-2-588-1230 List Moderator/Chief of Publications fax: 972-2-588-3584 Orion Center for the Study of the Dead Sea Scrolls, Hebrew University http://orion.mscc.huji.ac.il - DSS bibliography updated weekly. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 09:12:16 -0800 From: "Chris Bennett" Subject: Re: ane Q: Thera and Egyptian Chronology - ----- Original Message ----- From: John Wall > --- Werner wrote: > > Dear ANErs > > - Which, and how strong, are the synchronisms between Egypt and Creta, > > which would allow, if a fixed absolute date for the Thera Eruption were > > given, to anchor an egyptian Chronology ? > > - How much drift would they, anyhow, allow to the latter ? > > - Under the previous assumptions, What would imply to the egyptian > > chronology, and specially in regard to the CoD hypotesis, fixing the > > Thera Eruption in, say, 1627 BC vs, say, 1450 BC > > > > Maybe some of my questions are dumb, but i'm only an interested outsider > > of the field, so please excuse me. > > Regards > > Werner Ll‡cer > > Project Manager AG Andaluc’a y Extremadura SL > > mailto: personal@wernerllacer.com > > werner@agaex.com > > werner@ceh.junta-andalucia.es > > Thera is, AFAIK, pretty unambiguously tied to the first part of the 18th dynasty. There > are, IIRC, plenty of pottery/artifact links between the Minoan and Egyptian > civilisations and Thera is towards the end of LMIA but before LMIB. > > All the best, > > John Wall > England Not so. One of the major arguments of Sturt Manning's book "A Test of Time: The Absolute Chronology of the Aegean Early Bronze Age" is that LMIA corresponds to the Second Intermediate Period not the 18th dynasty. The book is very dense, but well worth reading if you want to know the detailed ins and outs of the topic. Its available through Amazon UK, though not cheap at 50 pounds. The most direct connection alleged between the Thera eruption and Egypt is the pumice found at Tell el-Daba. I was interested to see on Manning's website (http://www.rdg.ac.uk/~lasmanng/testoftime.html) that analysis of this pumice indicates that in fact it comes from several different sources, including Thera, indicating that it most likely came to Tell el-Daba in trade. Chris Bennett ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 11:37:07 -0600 From: "Charles E. Jones" Subject: ane Samson mentally ill? For your amusement, a colleague passes along links to this emerging piece of news: "Dr Eric Altschuler, from the University of California, in San Diego, claims that instead of being a hero, Samson was actually mentally ill...[with] an anti-social personality disorder (ASPD)." http://www.independent.co.uk/news/UK/Science/2001-02/bible150201.shtml http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/health/newsid_1170000/1170519.stm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 14:14:08 -0500 From: "mata kimasitayo" Subject: Re: ane Samson mentally ill? another link to this story at http://www.eurekalert.org/releases/ns-sts021401.html - ----- Original Message ----- From: Charles E. Jones To: ; Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 12:37 PM Subject: ane Samson mentally ill? > For your amusement, a colleague passes along links to this emerging > piece of news: > > "Dr Eric Altschuler, from the University of California, in San Diego, > claims that instead of being a hero, Samson was actually mentally > ill...[with] an anti-social personality disorder (ASPD)." > > http://www.independent.co.uk/news/UK/Science/2001-02/bible150201.shtml > http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/health/newsid_1170000/1170519.stm > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 15:46:14 -0600 From: "Charles E. Jones" Subject: ane Univ. of Sydney Archaeological Excavations in Uzbekistan Forwarded from: CentralAsia-L - Announcement List for Central Asian Studies PROGRAM INFO.- Univ. of Sydney Archaeological Excavations in Uzbekistan To Whom It May Concern, I am writing on behalf of Dr. Alison Betts, head of the University of Sydney Central Asia Programme of archaeological excavations in Uzbekistan. She is currently seeking volunteers for the excavation. We have established a web site with information concerning this at the following URL: http://members.spree.com/education/uscap/uscap.htm Would it be possible for you to link to this web site in order to generate some interest in her excavations. If so, this would be greatly appreciated. Thank you, Sincerely, Katia ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 15:46:10 -0600 From: "Charles E. Jones" Subject: ane AIAC prize 2001 From: "Elizabeth Fentress" AIAC Publication Prize 2001 In order to promote the publication of the research of young scholars, the International Association for Classical Archaeology has created a prize of 5000 Euro (ca. $4908) to support the publication of a monograph relating to any aspect of Classical Archaeology. This announcement will be published on the website of the Association: http://www.aiac.org and in AIAC News. It will also be sent to all members, and to research institutions in Europe and the United States: we would be grateful if it could receive the maximum possible diffusion. All authors whose 36th birthday falls after 01/09/01 are eligible to apply. Manuscripts should be submitted to the Associazione Internazionale di Archaeologia Classica – Premio AIAC; Piazza San Marco, 49, I –00186, Rome. The deadline for the presentation of manuscripts is 1 September 2001, postmarked date. Works may also be presented in person at the headquarters of the Association. Manuscripts must be ready for publication, complete with illustrations (legible photocopies of illustrations are of course acceptable). They should be accompanied by a letter specifying the name, address, telephone number and e-mail address of the author, to facilitate communication. Acceptable languages include English, French, German, Italian and Spanish. Manuscripts will be judged by a commission of three members, chosen preferably from the members of the Association, although the participation of non-members is not excluded. The judgment of the commission is final and will be communicated directly to the winner by 15 December, and published on the AIAC website and in AIAC News. Besides the winner, two runners-up may be named. The cash prize will be given to the publisher of the volume to support the cost of publication or of color illustration, on the understanding that the title page of the volume will show that the work has won the prize of the International Association for Classical Archaeology for the year 2001. Further, it must be specified that the prize is made possible thanks to a contribution from the Italian Ministry for Cultural Property and Activities. The form of this may be worked out between the publisher and the President of AIAC, or one of his representatives. The publisher will be responsible for submitting a proof of the title page for approval prior to publication. Further, the publisher will give the association 50 free copies of the published work. If the winner does not find a publisher with a year, or for some other reason the publication is excessively delayed, the prize may be conferred on the runner-up - ------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 01:03:57 EST From: SheMichael@aol.com Subject: ane where is Samson's childhood recorded? - --part1_89.272807d.27be1ccd_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What a totally silly piece of theory. > another link to this story at > The researchers note that Samson also burned Philistine fields, which showed both his impulsivity and his inability to conform to social norms. He was deceitful-not telling his parents, for instance, that he got honey from the carcass of a lion-and like many people with ASPD, Samson behaved badly as a child: setting things on fire, torturing animals, stealing, and bullying other children. Sheila Shiki y Michaels New York, NY - --part1_89.272807d.27be1ccd_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit      What a totally silly piece of theory.
      
another link to this story at
http://www.eurekalert.org/releases/ns-sts021401.html
The researchers note that Samson also burned Philistine fields, which showed
both his impulsivity and his inability to conform to social norms. He was
deceitful-not telling his parents, for instance, that he got honey from the
carcass of a lion-and like many people with ASPD, Samson behaved badly as a
child: setting things on fire, torturing animals, stealing, and bullying
other children.

Sheila Shiki y Michaels
New York, NY - --part1_89.272807d.27be1ccd_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 23:58:56 -0800 From: armstrong1@emailchoice.com Subject: ane The depiction of children in Egypt from 305 B.C.E. to 300 A.D. Can anyone here help me? Part of my current research is on the depiction of children in Egypt from 305 B.C.E. to 300 A.D. To what extent of known images are the majority of boys depicted with sidelocks in comparison with the number of girls. To what extent of known images are children shown wearing garments? And at what approximate age are the children? Thank you for any help or assistance you can give. Keith Keith *************************************** Get a Free Email, 15MB of Free Disk Space, Diary and Chat @ www.emailchoice.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 06:32:39 +0000 From: Andrew Bevan Subject: ane Ugarit and Minet el-Beida Dear list I have been casting about trying to find a reference in any of the Ugarit preliminary reports or other publications to the area of the 1929-35 excavated zone at Minet el Beida, but without any success. Does anyone know where I could find this information or better yet an outline plan (with scale) of the trenches so I can calculate the area from those? And a related Ugaritic question...can anyone tell me the estimated modern weights of the Ugaritic talent and shekel? Many thanks Andy Andrew Bevan Institute of Archaeology London Totalise - the Users ISP - ---------------------- To become a member and a shareholder visit http://www.totalise.net - ----------------------- Flowers2send - your guarantee to success on Valentines Day!!! Visit www.flowers2send.com or phone 0845 1200 430 ------------------------------ End of ANE Digest V2001 #45 *************************** Back issues are available on the Oriental Institute World-Wide Web (WWW) site at: http://oi.uchicago.edu/OI/ANE/OI_ANE.html