From: owner-ane@ (ANE Digest) To: ane-digest Subject: ANE Digest V2001 #185 Reply-To: Sender: owner-ane@ Errors-To: owner-ane@ Precedence: bulk ANE Digest Saturday, July 14 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 185 ane 3 Jobs - "Script, Image and the Culture of Writing in the Ancient World" ane Asclepieion in Israel? ane Tamar/qd$ Re: ane Asclepieion in Israel? ane 3ICAANE web site ane Tattooing vs Dead Sea scrolls in NZ ane MBA scenario ane Submerged Eden? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 08:56:07 -0500 From: "Charles E. Jones" Subject: ane 3 Jobs - "Script, Image and the Culture of Writing in the Ancient World" Script, Image and the Culture of Writing in the Ancient World FACULTY OF LITERAE HUMANIORES, UNIVERSITY OF OXFORD CENTRE FOR THE STUDY OF ANCIENT DOCUMENTS The Centre for the Study of Ancient Documents is initiating, from 1 October 2001, a number of projects which together constitute a programme entitled 'Script, Image and the Culture of Writing in the Ancient World', funded by the Andrew W. Mellon Foundation. Applications are invited from suitably qualified persons for the following posts within this programme: Two Research Assistantships Salary: point 1 on the RS1A scale, currently £16,775 p.a. The Research Assistants will be appointed for a period of not less than one and not more than three years. The successful candidates will have completed a doctorate in classics, ancient history or classical archaeology by 1 October 2001. They will have experience in dealing with inscriptional and/or papyrological evidence from the classical world. Experience in working with electronic databases and digital images would be advantageous. IT Officer [half-time] Salary: point 3 on the RS1A scale, currently £19, 482 p.a. pro-rated. The IT Officer will be appointed for a period of up to three years to assist in the management and development of the Centre's electronic resources and in particular the new 'Script, Image and the Culture of Writing in the Ancient World' programme. Applicants should be educated to degree level and have a broad knowledge of Macintosh and UNIX platforms. Administrative Assistant [half-time] Salary: point 3 on the University Clerical Grade 3 scale, currently £12,763 p.a. pro-rated. The Administrative Assistant will be appointed for a period of up to three years to assist with the input of electronic data, correspondence, production of written material and financial administration. The successful candidate will have acquired word-processing skills. Some basic experience in handling electronic databases would be advantageous. How to apply: Applications (three copies, or one from overseas candidates) for these posts in the form of a brief curriculum vitae which includes the names and addresses of two referees, and a letter stating the applicant's interests and qualifications, should be sent to Ms K. Brill, Secretary to the Literae Humaniores Board, 34 St Giles', Oxford OX1 3LH (tel: 01865 270253, email: Karen.Brill@admin.ox.ac.uk). Applicants should arrange for their referees to write to Ms Brill by the closing date. Further particulars on all these positions can be found on the CSAD website: http://www.csad.ox.ac.uk/mellon/appointments.html. The closing date for applications is Monday, 23 July 2001. It is anticipated that interviews will be held in the first two weeks of August The University is an Equal Opportunities Employer - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 09:02:03 -0500 From: "Charles E. Jones" Subject: ane Asclepieion in Israel? A colleague believe she remembers a site excavated(?) in Israel identified as an Asclepieion. Can anyone help with references or reminders? Thanks in advance! - -- - -Chuck Jones- ce-jones@uchicago.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 10:34:41 -0400 (EDT) From: sbudin@sas.upenn.edu (Stephanie Budin) Subject: ane Tamar/qd$ SheMichael@aol.com wrote: > I don't see how we could dismiss an association with the 'Ashera, when > Qudshu is one of her epithets in Ugarit & Egypt. Plaques & figurines > depicting Qudshu are found everywhere in Canaan. She seems to have been > part of ordinary household worship. While Qudshu is an epithet of Asherah in Ugarit, there is less evidence that the Egyptian Qudshu is in any way related to Asherah. If anything, two stelai depicting Qudshu in Egypt list the names 'Anat and 'Athtart, and it has been suggested that perhaps Qudshu is some manner of combination of these two goddesses (much as the later Atargatis). The associations between Egyptian Qudshu and Ugaritic (et al.) Asherah have been weakened by decreased associations between Asherah herself and snake-imagery, which was seen as one of those iconographic links between the two deities (Maier, in his dissertation, admits in an end-note that technically ALL the Egyptian goddesses are associated with snakes, not just Qudshu, while Perlman and others have reconsidered and pretty much rejected the notion of Asherah as she who treads on the Sea-Dragon). Personally, I find it better just to consider Qudshu as her own goddess in the Egyptian pantheon, especially as both 'Anat and 'Athtart were individually recognized in the Egyptian corpus. As for the so-called Qudshu images found throughout Canaan, it is far more likely that these nude goddess plaques (you are refering to these, yes?) represent 'Athtart in the Levant. One piece of evidence if the animals associated with these images in various regions of the Levant. To the north, the nude goddess stands upon a lion, a stance adopted by Ishtar in the Mesopotamian iconography, and it must be noted that Ugaritic 'Athtart is recognized in the Ugaritic corpus as the equivalent of Ishtar (although I cannot remember the exact citing off the top of my head). In the Egyptianized south, however, the nude goddess stands upon a horse (consider the gold foil version from Lachish). In Egypt, 'Athtart is recognized as a horse and chariot goddess. In both instances, then, Asherah does not seem to play a part either in the Egyptian or the Levantine/Canaanite iconography. For what it's worth, Stephanie Budin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 10:42:16 -0400 From: goranson@duke.edu Subject: Re: ane Asclepieion in Israel? Perhaps see: Claudine Dauphin "From Apollo to Asclepius to Christ: Pligrimage and Healing at the Temple and Episcopal Basilica of Dor" Studium Biblicum Franciscanum Liber Annuus XLIX (1999) 397-430. S. Goranson goranson@duke.edu - --On Friday, July 13, 2001 9:02 AM -0500 "Charles E. Jones" wrote: > A colleague believe she remembers a site excavated(?) in Israel > identified as an Asclepieion. Can anyone help with references or > reminders? > > Thanks in advance! > > -- > -Chuck Jones- > ce-jones@uchicago.edu > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 20:18:00 +0200 From: "miroschedji" Subject: ane 3ICAANE web site THIRD INTERNATIONAL CONGRESS ON THE ARCHAEOLOGY OF THE ANCIENT NEAR EAST (PARIS 15-19 APRIL 2002) We apologize to all those who have tried unsuccessfully to open the web site whose URL was given in our previous announcement on this List on June 16. The address was indeed incorrect because we have had some difficulties in starting the site. Now everything is (hopefully) all right. The correct Congress Website is now working at the following URL : http://3ICAANE.univ-paris1.fr This web site will allow on-line registration, sending of abstracts and consultation of the list of registered Members with their e-mais adresse(s) and (ultimately) paper abstract(s). Of course, you can also register via e-mail at : 3icaane@mae.u-paris10.fr or via snail-mail at Secretariat of 3ICAANE Maison de l'archˇologie et de l'ethnologie Bo”te 14 21, allˇe de l'Universitˇ 92023 Nanterre cedex France Tˇl.: 33-(0)1-46 69 24 90 Fax : 33-(0)1-46 69 24 86. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 10:54:39 +1000 From: Karin Sowada Subject: ane Tattooing vs Dead Sea scrolls in NZ While it is a pity that the Dead Sea Scrolls are apparently not now going to NZ, it should be remembered that body piercing and tattooing is an important element of the indigenous Maori culture in that country. The decision by the Auckland Museum to mount a show featuring body art as opposed to the Scrolls (especially when the cost is considered) needs to be seen in that context. Karin Sowada The Nicholson Museum University of Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 04:32:26 +0200 From: "Ariel L. Szczupak" Subject: ane MBA scenario I combined my notes into a message giving a better picture of the MBA scenario methodology. Since the result is quite long, I posted it at http://www.amis-jlm.co.il/ms2/mba.html instead. The MBA scenario is a tool. Feel free to use it too - you can't beat the price, but there are no refunds . Ariel. Note: My response time to emails will be slow until the 2nd half of September. During part of the time I'll be able to reply only during weekends. If your message is urgent, please say so in the message subject line. - --- Ariel L. Szczupak AMIS-JLM (Ricercar Ltd.) Jerusalem, Israel +972-2-5619660 als-ane@amis-jlm.co.il http://amis-jlm.co.il ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 00:35:02 -0400 From: nyokabi@kingcon.com Subject: ane Submerged Eden? Thanks to A. Szczupak for details and comments(and date!) concerning Stephen Oppenheimer, "Eden In The East: The Submerged Continent Of Southeast Asia". On July 11 Jim Thorn wrote: nyokabi@kingcon.com writes: > >This mega stream > >deposited so much dirt at its mouth that it all collapsed, sank to the > >bottom of Davy Jones locker somewhere under the Indian Ocean today, > >causing enormous geological consequences as do all such geosynclines > >[is that the word?]... > >???? Is this a serious suggestion, or am I missing a tongue placed in a cheek? I was probably serious three years ago, when I dreamed it up! I was taking off from a paragraph in Bibby's (1969), which I will reproduce here for those who missed that discussion (to which both of us contributed repeatedly! ANE Nov 20-Dec 3, 1997) Bibby, p 373: "It began to look as if the coastal area of E. Arabia had been slowly rising throughout the last many thousands of years. Some millions of years ago, in the later Miocene [E.A.: at least 13 million years ago?], during the last great mountain-building period of the world, the Persian massif had lunged southward, tipping the whole slab of Arabia. And in the west the slab had been cracked off from Africa, forming the deep chasm of the Red Sea, the Rift Valley of East Africa, and the crack which was the Gulf of Aqaba and the Jordan Valley. It was not unlikely that a recovery had been going on ever since, that Arabia was gradually returning to the horizontal." I haven't figured out whether the submerged continental shelf extending out from Arabia and Iran and India --all the way to the Sunda shelf/trench, went under at this time too, or whether that only happened during later post-glacial rises in sea level. Perhaps all this is spelled out in the Oppenheim book, Eden in the East! 13 million years sounds way too old for Adam, but then what do we know? and how many times will we change our mega-dates for these geologic eras in the years to come? (cf. the recent article on dangers of C-14 reliability beyond 10,000 years?). In any case, the recent discovery of the ancient skeleton in Australia in terms of my theory makes perfect sense. Refugees from the submerged Gondwana -Eden/plain/ human cradleland (the geologists call this shallow submerged area "the deep-sea plain") would have radiated in all directions - -Ethiopia, Arabia, India, Australia. I admit I am misusing the term Gondwanaland, or using it archaically. It used to be loosely used in non-scientific texts for submerged land underlying the shallower Western reaches of the Indian ocean. Thus the idea that men had once walked between India and Africa -- meaning, at the very least, that the Persian Gulf and Red Sea obstacles were once only fordable rivers. I see that Gondwanaland is now exclusively used for the hypothetical southern block of landmass, when South America, Africa, India, SE Asia, Australia, and Antartica were all adjoining each other, back before the continental drift began. I guess I need another term (Dilmun? Ta Neter?)for the broad submerged continental shelf one can see on a chart in F.J. Monkhouse,1975, , p 164 "The Configuration of the Indian Ocean." (But I like the name Gondwana because it suggests a connection with the Gonds. Who came up with this name anyway? Did the Gonds by some chance have oral traditions of a distant origin from sunken lands to the south? ) It is curious that the shallow western coastal shelf of India continues due south as a submerged ridge as far as the islands of Reunion and Mauritius, and then branches north west to the Seychelles, here almost touching the shelf of Madagascar, whose western shelf suggests its former connection to Africa. The impression looking at this chart is of a former nearly land-locked sea in the NW corner of the Indian ocean, exactly the same (mis?)conception shared by the Greeks and even medieval cartographers who showed the Indian Ocean surrounded by land connecting southern Africa to southern India! Even stranger is the Socotran ridge, which bisects this "landlocked" northwest sea again, suggesting that in some distant age this smaller northern basin might have been a freshwater sea (the Abzu!) receiving the waters of the Tigris and Euphrates and the Indus, before the downward tilting of Arabia caused the sea to transgress and turn them into Tiamat's Tamtus. (The Nile could have poured via the Red Sea into the southern half or basin.) If all these ridges have been underwater for millions of years, how did the Greeks ever come up with that idea? Quite a co-incidence! >I have never heard anyone suggest that a stream of any size could deposit an >amount of silt sufficient to cause a tectonic plate to "collapse" and "sink." > In fact, the suggestion sounds nothing short of silly to me. If there's a >geologist on the list who knows better and cares to disabuse me of that >impression, I'm all ears. I was thinking of the geosyncline as sedimentation causing a "great downward flexure of the earth's crust", which is my Webster's definition of "geosyncline." But reading more I see that this is supposed to form a "Trench", as in the Sunda Trench?, which ultimately leads to the upthrust and folding stages of the process and therefore doesn't fit the shallow underwater plains off of Arabia. But a sunken land and river of Eden does not have to have been the cause of its own submersion! It could simply have gone under rising sea levels as Heike suggested yesterday when discussing the Sunda situation. So I withdraw the suggestion that the river caused the subsidence and remain simply with the idea of an ancient marine transgression, leaving memories in the religion of Eridu and the images of Enki holding the vases from which the rivers of water flow. This is closer than my "silly" version to what Richard Ellis suggested: >If we are interested in a now-submerged area, with a bunch of rivers >around, whose memory might have persisted into literate times, how about >the bed of the (present) Arab-Iranian Gulf, before the rise of the >sea-level at the end of the Pleistocene? Rereading Walter Mattfeld's ideas on the ancient concept of the encircling Fresh water river of Okeanos/Ogihonos as the "river of Eden", I find I agree with much more of it than I did three years ago. My only problem is his thinking that these traditions make Genesis Hellenistic in date/ origin; if the Greeks derived these ideas from the East, from the people who actually lived by these encircling rivers and seas, as Mattfeld admits, then so did the authors of Genesis! So it is all very ancient and cannot be used for such dating purposes. E. 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