From: owner-ane To: ane-digest@oi.uchicago.edu Subject: Ancient Near East Digest V2 #108 Reply-To: Errors-To: owner-ane Precedence: bulk Ancient Near East Digest Thursday, 29 June 1995 Volume 02 : Number 108 roman villas Re: TV portrayal of archaeology Scriptura Please change email address Congratulations GIS and statistics Forwarded: Re: Re Bucellatti e-mail Forwarded: Re: English & German & Egyptology Recent ANE dissertations (long) Old Bab. tense-aspect History of Assyriology Re: Forwarded: Re: English & German & Egyptology Languages in ANE studies RE: Re: English & German & Egyptology German again Re: German again TV "archaeology" Re: TV "archaeology" Misc.Languages Egyptian lit Access Modern langs. and ANE Re: Misc.Languages Re: Egyptian lit Re: Misc.Languages NEH funding update Spanish, Italian, etc. Scholarships/Financial Aid for Near Eastern Studies Re: Spanish, Italian, etc. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Hagi Amitzur Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 12:56:20 +0200 (WET) Subject: roman villas I'm doing a research about roman villas in the roman eastern provinces. I would like to know about any resources and/or reffrences dealing with this subject. Any information will be very much appreciated. Hagi Amitzur safad regional college Bar Ilan University division safad, Israel ------------------------------ From: Gay Robins Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 07:22:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: TV portrayal of archaeology Why don't more Egyptologists participate in TV programs? We have to be invited! Gay Robins ------------------------------ From: Dr Nick Wyatt - x8933 Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 12:28:14 +000 Subject: Scriptura Can any member of the group recommend an Ugaritic font for use in Word for Windows, please? It will be networked here in Ed. Price and address of supplier, please. (We had one in Multi-Lingual Scholar on our network, but half the characters were missing.) Thanks. Nick Wyatt Nick Wyatt Email N.Wyatt@ed.ac.uk New College ********************** Edinburgh EH 1 2 LX Scotland ------------------------------ From: simsong@acm.org (Simson L. Garfinkel) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 95 11:38:05 -0400 Subject: Please change email address Sorry to bother the whole list, but I've been sending mail to both owner-ane and postmaster, but nobody seems to answer. Please change mjt@expert.com to mjt@cpg.com. We changed our mail system over several months ago, and recently stopped accepting email for the old domain. Thank you very much. simson l. garfinkel postmaster, cpg.com >Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 06:06:49 -0400 >From: Mailer-Daemon@strange.cpg.com (Mail Delivery Subsystem) >Subject: Returned mail: Service unavailable >To: Postmaster@strange.cpg.com > > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- >Connected to expert: >>>> HELO cpg.com ><<< 553 cpg.com host name configuration error >554 <@cpg.com:mjt@expert>... 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Check out page 51 in the Biblical Archaeology Review. Right there in bold letters it talks about the ABZU. ________________________________ EMAIL - ddonahue@pcc.edu WEB - www.teleport.com/~ddonahue Portland, OR USA - -------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: Thomas Meyer Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 18:56:06 +0200 (MESZ) Subject: GIS and statistics As I am currently experiencing with the electronically aided analysis of settlement patterns and find distributions in Palestine, I wonder if there is anybody who is doing the same and would be interested in an exchange of ideas. At present, I start working with REGARD which is a Geographical Exploration System developed by Prof Unwin, now in Augsburg. All mail is appreciated. Thomas Meyer ------------------------------ From: "Kasia & Malcolm & GYV" Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 10:37:25 PST Subject: Forwarded: Re: Re Bucellatti e-mail - -------------- Forwarded Message Follows -------------- From: Self To: owner-ane@mithra-orinst.uchicago.edu Subject: Re: Re Bucellatti e-mail Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 10:04:58 ------------------------------ From: "Kasia & Malcolm & GYV" Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 10:38:41 PST Subject: Forwarded: Re: English & German & Egyptology >Dr. Eckhard Eichler wrote: >>I shall be pleased about every serious comment on our activities and >>apologize for our menus being still all in German! >Please don't apologize for that! And please Your menus might help us to persuade our students that they *must* learn German if they want to study ancient Egypt (or any other kind of Mediterranean or Near Eastern archaeology). >Dick Ellis While I agree with Dr. Ellis ( I am a grad student in Near Eastern Lang. & Cultures), that Serious students must learn to read German (not to speak it though, I've always found that German for Reading classes are sufficient, and ultimately just doing it is what works), I am also well aware of where most of the funding for our field comes now, & will come more & more in the future; that is from mostly English speaking sponsors (in particular Americans) with a rather superficial interest in the field. I am a firm believer in accessibility, & would like to see the field lose its reputation as being exclusionary. Making scholarly material available in English can only help the field. Perhaps evenetually, Time-Life could produce a television special showing archaeologists & museums in the proper perspective, & emphasize other important aspects of Ancient Egypt (such as the long ignored literature), rather than mummies, pyramids, & more mummies. Making information accessible in ANY language is of primary importance of course, but if someone is interested in translating them into English, or French, or Polish, or Swahili, or any language, I think they should be encouraged. Thank you Heidelberg! Your efforts are indeed appreciated! Kasia Szpakowska UCLA ------------------------------ From: cejo@midway.uchicago.edu (Charles E. Jones) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 16:13:14 -0500 Subject: Recent ANE dissertations (long) Following is a list of recent dissertations/theses acquired over the past several months by the Research Archives - Oriental Institute (and only one of them is over 2500 pages) ;-) - -Chuck- Bedal, Leigh-Ann. The Neo-Assyrian Bracelet: A Study of its Evolution, Function and Symbolism: Thesis Submitted in Partial Fulfillment of the Requirements for the Degree of Master of Arts in Near Eastern Studies in the Graduate Division of the University of California at Berkeley. Berekely: University of California - Berkeley; 1992. 1 volume (xiv + 136 pages [including 5 figures, 38 plates]). Supervised by David B. Stronach. Bjorkman, Judith Kindston. Hoards and Deposits in Bronze Age Mesopotamia: Presented to the Faculties of the University of Pennsylvania in Partial Fulfillmant of the Requirements for the Degree of Doctor of Philosophy. Philadelphia: University of Pennsylvania; 1994. 1 volume (xi + 732 pages [8 microfiches]). University Microfilms Order No. 9427503. Supervised by James D. Muhly. Choi, Jonathan Jongtae. The Aramaic of Daniel: Its Date, Place of Composition and Linguistic Comparison with Extra-Biblical Texts: A Dissertation Submitted to the Faculty in Partial Fulfillment of the Requirements for the Degree of Doctor of Philosophy at Trinity Evangelical Divinity School. Deerfield: Trinity Evangelical Divinity School; June 1994. 1 volume (xv + 256 pages [3 microfiches]). Note: University Microfilms Order No. 9432061. Supervised by Gleason L. Archer. DeCaen, Vincent Joseph John. On the Placement and Interpretation of the Verb in Standard Biblical Hebrew Prose: A Thesis Submitted in Conformity with the Requirements for the Degree of Doctor of Philosophy, Graduate Department of Near Eastern Studies, University of Toronto. Toronto: University of Toronto; 1995. 1 volume (xv + 339 pages). Dundas, Gregory Stephen. Pharaoh, Basileus and Imperator: The Roman Imperial Cult in Egypt: A Dissertation Submitted in Partial Satisfaction of the Requirements for the Degree of Doctor of Philosophy in History. Los Angeles: University of California - Los Angeles; 1994. 4 microfiches (371 pages). University Microfilms Order No. 9417297. Supervised by Ronald Mellor. Elias, Jonathan Paul. Coffin Texts in Egypt after the New Kingdom: A Study of Text Production and Use in Elite Mortuary Preparation: A Dissertation Submitted to the Faculty of the Division of the Social Sciences in Candidacy for the Degree of Doctor of Philosophy, Depasrtment of Anthropology. Chicago: University of Chicago; December 1993. 4 volumes (xxviii + 888 pages). Galan, Jose M. Victory and Border: Terminology Related to Egyptian Imperialism on the XVIIIth Dynasty: A Dissertation Submitted to the Johns Hopkins University in Conformity with the Requirements for the Degree of Doctor of Philosophy. Baltimore: The Johns Hopkins University; 1993. 5 microfiches (xi + 385 pages). University Microfilms Order No. 9419972. Supervised by Hans Goedicke. Hallote, Rachel S. Mortuary Practices and Their Implications for Social Organization in the Middle Bronze Southern Levant: A Dissertation Submitted to the Faculty of the Division of the Humanities in Candidacy for the Degree of Doctor of Philosophy, Department of Neasr Eastern Languages and Civilizations. Chicago: University of Chicago; December 1994. 2 volumes (ix + 294 pages [including 27 figures]). Supervised by Douglas Esse, Lawrence Stager. Higginbotham, Carolyn R. The Egyptianization of Ramesside Palestine: A Dissertation Submitted to the Johns Hopkins University in Conformity with the Requirements for the Degree of Doctor of Philosophy. Baltimore: The Johns Hopkins University; 1994. 6 microfiches (xiv + 550 pages + 2 plates). University Microfilms Order No. 9419984. Supervised by P. Kyle McCarter. Holder, Tracey Lynne. Eighteenth Dynasty Painted Votive Textiles from Deir el-Bahri, Egypt: A Thesis Submitted in Conformity with the Requirements for the Degree of Master of Arts, Graduate Department of Near Eastern Studies. Toronto: University of Toronto; 1993. 1 volume ([3 microfiches]). University Microfilms Order No. [=ISBN] 0-315-87030-3. Supervised by N. B. Millet. Jo, Cheolsu. Sumerian Verbal Prefixes: Structure, Function , and Meaning: Thesis Submitted for the Degree "Doctor of Philosophy" to the Senate of the Hebrew University of Jerusalem. Jerusalem: Hebrew University; 1991. 1 volume (210 [English] + 6 [Hebrew] pages). Supervised by Aaron Schaeffer. Kangas, Steven E. Social and Economic Organization during the Chalcolithic Period in the Northern Negev, Israel: A Study in Ceramic Variability: A Dissertation Presented to the Faculty of the Graduate School of Arts and Sciences, Brandeis University, Department of Classical and Oriental Studies, in Partial Fulfillment of the Requirements for the Degree Doctor of Philosophy. Waltham: Brandeis Universityq; February 1994. 4 microfiches (xv + 351 pages). University Microfilms Order No. 9417710. Supervised by Isaac Gilead. Kitz, Anne Marie. Sara'at Accusations and the Sociology of Exclusion: A Dissertation Submitted to the Johns Hopkins University in Conformity with the Requirements for the Degree of Doctor of Philosophy. Baltimore: The Johns Hopkins University; 1994. 1 volume (x + 345 pages [4 microfiches]). University Microfilms Order No. 94329529. Koh, Sejin. An Archaeological Investigation of the Snake Cult in the Southern Levant: The Chalcolithic Period through the Iron Age: A Dissertation Submitted to the Faculty of the Division of the Humanities in Candidacy for the Degree of Doctor of Philosophy, Department of Near Eastern Languages and Civilizations. Chicago: University of Chicago; August 1994. 1 volume (xv + 199 pages [including 8 tables, 1 map, 1 plan, 35 plates]). Supervised by Douglas Esse, McGuire Gibson. Leong, Tien Fock. Tense, Mood and Aspect in Old Babylonian: A Dissertation Submitted in Partial Satisfacton of the Requirements for the Degree of Doctor of Philosophy in Near Eastern Languages and Cultures. Los Angeles: University of California, Los Angeles; 1994. 1 volume (xvii + 411 pages) [5 microfiches]. University Microfilms Order No. 9502937. Supervised by Giorgio Buccellati. Melville, Sarah Chamberlin. The Role of Naqia / Zakutu in Sargonid Politics: A Dissertation Presented to the Faculty of the Graduate School of Yale University in Candidacy for the Degree of Doctor of Philosophy. New Haven: Yale University; May 1994. 1 volume (xi + pages 191 [including 5 figures]) [3 microfiches. University Microfilms Order No. 9430282. Supervised by William W. Hallo. Nesbitt, James H. Metaphor and Metonymy and the Nations of Isaiah: Submitted on Partial Fulfillment of the Requirements for the Degree of Doctory of Theology in Grace Theological Seminary. Winona Lake: Grace Theological Seminary; 1994; c1991. 3 microfiches (iv + 201 pages). University Microfilms Order No. 94122434. Pennington, Charles Robert. A Quantitative and Contextual Analysis of Sherd Assemblages from Three Near Eastern Tells: Submitted in Partial Fulfillment of the Requirements for the Degree of Doctor of Philosophy. Boston: Boston University; 1995. 1 volume (xi + 235 pages) [3 microfiches]. University Microfilms Order No. 9433489. Supervised by Paul Zimansky. Puckett, Richard Allen. Law and Authority in Ancient Israel: An Analysis of Three Stages in the Development of Israelite Jural Authority: A Dissertation Presented to the Faculty of Yale University in Candidacy for the Degree of Doctor of Philosophy. New Haven: Yale University; May 1994. 2 volumes (314 + 235 pages [6 microfiches]). University Microfilms Order No. 94328304. Robertson, Anne F. Word Dividers, Spot Markers and Clause Markers in Old Assyrian, Ugaritic, and Egyptian Texts: Sources for Understanding the Use of the Red Ink Points in the Two Akkadian Literary Texts, Adapa and Ereshkigal, Found in Egypt: A Dissertation Submitted in Partial Fulfillment of the Requirements for the Degree of Doctor of Philosophy, Near Eastern Languages and Literatures. New York: New York University; November 1993. 1 volume (xviii + 452 pages including 7 illustrations [5 microfiches]). University Microfilms Order No. 9422934. Supervised by Baruch Levine. Sadeh, Shelley. Pottery of the 5th Millennium BC in Israel and Neighboring Regions: Thesis Submitted for the Degree "Doctor of Philosophy". Tel Aviv: Tel Aviv University; September 1994. 1 volume (vii + 459 pages + [48] figures ). Note: English text with Hebrew summary and title page. Supervised by Ram Gophna. Schloen, John David. The Patrimonial Household in the Kingdom of Ugarit: A Weberian Analysis of Ancient Near Eastern Society: A Thesis Presented to the Department of Near Eastern L:anguages and Civilizations in Partial Fulfillment of the Requirementd for the Degree of Doctor of Philosophy in the Syubject of Near Eastern Languages and Civilizations. Cambridge: Harvard University; April 1995. 1 volume (viii + 429 pages [including 69 figures]). Supervised by Lawrence Stager. Skon-Jedele, Nancy Joan. Aigyptiaca: A Catalogue of Egyptian and Egyptianizing Objects Excavated from Greek Archaeological Cites, ca. 1100-525 B.C., with Historical Commentary: A dissertation in History Presented to the Faculties of the University of Pennsylvania in Partial Fulfillment of the Requirements for the Degree of Doctor of Philosophy. Philadelphia: University of Pennsylvania; 1994. xxxi + 2852 pages (including 80 figures and 21 plates) [30 microfiches]. University Microfilms Order No. 9427615.Supervised by James D. Muhly. Steadman, Sharon Rose. Isolation vs. Interaction: Prehistoric Cilicia and its Role in the Near Eastern World System: A Dissertation Submitted in Partial Satisfacton of the Requirements for the Degree of Doctor of Philosophy in Ancient History and Mediterranean Archaeology in the Graduate Division of the University of California at Berkeley. Berkeley: University of California, Berkeley; 1994. 1 volume (viii + 302 pages) [4 microfiches]. University Microfilms Order No. 905014. Supervised by Ruth E. Tringham. Suter, Claudia E. Gudea's Temple Building: A Comparison of Written ansd Pictorial Accounts: A Dissertation in Asian and Middle Eastern Studies Presented to the Faculties of the University of Pennsylvania in Partial Fulfillment of the Requirements for the Degree of Doctor of Philosophyh. Philadelphia: University of Pennsylvania; 1995. 1 volume (x + 480 pages [including 16 tables, 27 illustrations]). Supervised by Richard Zettler. Tammuz, Oded. Archives from Lagaba: A Dissertation Presented to the Faculty of the Graduate School of Yale University in Candidacy for the Degree of Doctor of Philosophy. New Haven: Yale University; November 1993. 2 volumes (531 pages [6 microfiches]). University Microfilms Order No. 9426208. Supervised by W. W. Hallo. Verhoeff, Marius. The Architecture in the Northern Hill-Country of Palestine during Late Bronze IIb and the Iron Age I: Masters Thesis in Old Testament, Department of Theology. Amsterdam: University of Amsterdam; November 1991. 1 volume (131 pages [inclding 36 figures]). Supervised by Gerrit van der Kooij. Wilfong, Terry. "The Women of Jeme": Women's Roles in a Coptic Town in Late Antiquity: A Dissertation Submitted to the Faculty of the humenities in Candidacy for the Degree of Doctor of Philosophy, Department of Near Eastern Languages and Civilizations. Chicago: University of Chicago; December 1994. 1 volume (xix + 187 pages). Supervised by Janet Johnson. Wright, Paul H. The City of Larsa in the Neo-Babylonian and Achaemenid Periods: A Study of Urban and Intercity Relations in Antiquity: A Dissertation Presented to the Faculty of the School of Graduate Studies, Hebrew Union College - Jewish Institute of Religion in Partial Fulfillment of the Requirements for the Degree of Doctor of Philosophy. Cincinnati: Hebrew Union College - Jewish Institute of Religion; April 1994. 1 volume (xv + 269 pages including 9 tables [4 microfiches]). University Microfilms Order No. 9427341. Supervised by David B. Weisberg. Yoda, Izumi. Oaths in Sumerian Archival Texts: A Case Study of Ur III Nippur: A Dissertation Presented to the Faculty of the Graduate School of Yale University in Candidacy for the Degree of Doctor of Philosophy. New Haven: Yale University; November 1993. 3 microfiches (vi + 203 pages). University Microfilms Order No. 9418560. Supervised by William W. Hallo. ------------------------------ From: Vincent DeCaen Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 19:33:39 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Old Bab. tense-aspect 1) I noticed in C. Jones's list a reference to Leong's "Tense, Mood, Aspect in Old Babylonian" UCLA 1994. Can anyone: a) supply a quick summary of the work with critical comment if possible (on/off list)? b) put me in touch with Leong? 2) re "Sumerian Verbal Prefixes" by Jo, Hebrew U, 1991: ditto a)/b) ? thankyou in advance ------------------------------ From: Peter Daniels Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 23:13:23 -0500 Subject: History of Assyriology I'm following up my article in the Hincks Bicentenary Volume by trying to discover the identities of all the materials avbailable to Edward Hincks as he deciphered Mesopotamian Cuneiform (and his results were passed to H. C. Rawlinson by Edwin Norris). I was thrilled to find a copy of the signlist he used--the British Museum/ Library has managed to misplace their copy--in the possession of an Americaqn Hittitologist who has given me permission to reprint it in an article for JAOS. But I very much need to see the lithograph or engraving made of the Asia House Inscription around 1802, because it is that document that was most important to Hincks (and it is the document of which the 1807 signlist was an analysis). Borger lists it--I'm sorry, I can't point out exactly where, but the entry under 1R for the India House Inscription either includes it or points to it--but neither the Library of Congress pre-1946 National Union Catalog [that should be pre-1956!] nor the British Museum printed catalog lists it. Can anyone direct me to a copyu of that document? Has it ever been reproduced anywhere? Failing that, if anyone has ever seen it, do you know whether the publication in 1R of teh India House Inscription is a facsimile of the earlier print, or whether it looked different? Thank you! - --Peter T. Daniels ------------------------------ From: ncs3@cus.cam.ac.uk (Nigel Strudwick) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 09:10:17 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: Forwarded: Re: English & German & Egyptology We can't leave these remarks by Kasia Szpakowska without comment: > ... I am also well > aware of where most of the funding for our field comes now, & will come > more & more in the future; that is from mostly English speaking sponsors > (in particular Americans) with a rather superficial interest in the > field. I am a firm believer in accessibility, & would like to see the > field lose its reputation as being exclusionary. Making scholarly > material available in English can only help the field. Perhaps > evenetually, Time-Life could produce a television special showing > archaeologists & museums in the proper perspective, & emphasize other > important aspects of Ancient Egypt (such as the long ignored > literature), rather than mummies, pyramids, & more mummies. This first point is that scholars in ANE disciplines have GOT to be able to read foreign languages to undertake their work properly, and long may it remain so. It also seems to me incredibly "english-centric" to expect others to make their work readily available to English speaking persons, while we don't make ours available in foreign languages. If we needed to make something in German available to a sponsor, then we should translate it. The root of the problem lies more in the mental attitudes in the UK and the USA that it isn't *really* important to learn foreign languages as everyone else speaks English! Nigel Strudwick ------------------------------ From: grafe@uni-muenster.de Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 12:05:17 +0200 (MES) Subject: Languages in ANE studies Bravo, Nigel, for your clarification. Speaking for Egyptology, a student who wants to become a serious scholar in this field must be able to read (at least !) english, french, german. I am used to say to the beginners that they cannot pass the examinations with me without reading french (they often come without having learned french at school ... and latin ... and greek ...) Erhart Graefe grafe@uni-muenster.de ------------------------------ From: ic@maties.sun.ac.za Date: Wed, 28 Jun 95 14:32 GMT+200 Subject: RE: Re: English & German & Egyptology I agree with Nigel! Writing from a country with eleven official languages, with English in the number four (after Zulu, !Xhosa, Afrikaans) position as far as speaker statistics are concerned Izak Cornelius Stellenbosch SOUTH AFRICA Izak Cornelius Ancient Near Eastern Studies University of Stellenbosch Stellenbosch ZA-7600 ------------------------------ From: "Eichler, Eckhard" Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 16:52:58 CET Subject: German again Dear Colleagues: I was quite surpised to hear from all my colleagues that writing in German is not as nasty as it seemed to me. Obviously, most English and American scholars survived their German lessons :-). I received various mails from all over the world urging me not to apologize for our library computer menu being only in German. Okay, we will stay German and furthermore, for the benefit of the few friends of the German nation we will keep on writing in the language of Goethe and Helmut Kohl. So long, Eckhard Eichler Universitaet Heidelberg Bundesrepublik Deutschland ------------------------------ From: "Niels Peter Lemche" Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 17:39:18 GMT +100 Subject: Re: German again > Okay, we will stay German and furthermore, for the benefit of the few > friends of the German nation we will keep on writing in the > language of Goethe and Helmut Kohl. > > So long, > > Eckhard Eichler > Universitaet Heidelberg > Bundesrepublik Deutschland > Dear Eckhard Eichler, Lieber Goethe than Helmuth. But what about Spanish, Italian etc.? (happily there are not so many Russians around, in our field) and Arabic may provide another obstacle). One day this problem of language will have to be solved -- in some way or another. Best wishes NPL Niels Peter Lemche Dep. Biblical Studies University of Copenhagen Phone: 45 49 13 81 24 Fax: 45 49 13 81 28 e-mail: npl@teol.ku.dk ------------------------------ From: "Bob Haak" Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 10:08:46 CST Subject: TV "archaeology" Well... in the past few days some of us have been complaining that "real" archaeologists don't get input into TV presentations of archaeology. This may be your chance! Yesterday I got a call from a woman at Greystone Communications who is helping to produce a segment of Ancient Mysteries for A&E. She wanted to know what I could tell her about "the spear of Longinus"-- supposedly the spear used by the Roman to dispatch Jesus at the crucifixion. It is currently on display at the Hapsburg Museum in Vienna. I explained to her that this was not my area, that it undoubtedly was not a historically accurate legend, that she needed to talk to someone who was expert in 1st c. Roman armaments (or better, Middle Age armaments) to evaluate the particular spear, etc. The offer I made to her... and the challenge I make to you... is that I would post this notice and pass on an "expert" advice, comment, offers to provide commentary, etc. I believe this is a legitimate chance to do what several people on the list called for over the past few days... provide some accurate, positive archaeological/historical information to the general public... Bob Haak Augustana College REHAAK@AUGUSTANA.EDU ------------------------------ From: rellis@cc.brynmawr.edu (Richard S. Ellis) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 12:00:04 -0400 Subject: Re: TV "archaeology" Bob Haak wrote: [deleted] >The offer I made to her... and the challenge I make to you... is that >I would post this notice and pass on an "expert" advice, comment, >offers to provide commentary, etc. Excellent idea! - -------------------------------------------------------- Richard S. Ellis rellis@brynmawr.edu Professor of Archaeology ph.: (610) 526-5343 (off.) Department of Classical and (610) 896-6189 (hm.) Near Eastern Archaeology fax.:(610) 526-7479 (off.) Bryn Mawr College 101 N. Merion Avenue Bryn Mawr, PA 19010-2899 ------------------------------ From: "Kasia & Malcolm & GYV" Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 9:24:53 PST Subject: Misc.Languages Hmmm, looks like I've opened a can of worms... Of course SCHOLARS need to read whatever languages necessary for their particular field, but that doesn't make it WRONG to translate works into ANY (Spanish, Italian, Arabic, Russian, Chines, Zulu...) other language to make it more accessible. Hornung's "Conceptions of God" being translated into Engish only made it more accessible to more people -- people who are not willing to devote their lives to the field, yet have an interest in it. Is this so wrong? Should the attitude be that if you don't read blah-blah language, then you don't deserve to have that knowledge? and it shouldn't be translated? Nonsense. No wonder Egyptology has the reputation of being elitist. I never said that people shouldn't publish in French or German, or whatever their native tongue is (mine happens to be Polish), but if somebody else wants to translate that article/book into more languages, more power to him/her. I know that I can publish in Polish if I wish, I also know that if I want anyone to read my article, I should publish it in French, German, or English! I never intended it to sound like everything should be written in English. This would be ridiculous. Obviously it should all be written in Klingon ;-) - --K ------------------------------ From: "Kasia & Malcolm & GYV" Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 9:29:44 PST Subject: Egyptian lit Conrad Steenkamp said : >I just picked up the reference to the 'mostly ignored' Egyptian >literature. Apart from the book of the dead, what literature are >you refering to? I am referring to the fact that although TV shows on let's say ancient Greece, will mention Homer & the Odyssey, yet nary a word is said about Egyptian literature. Their writing includes medical texts, letters (written by & to family members, as well as administrative ones), love poetry, autobiographies, military diaries, theological writings, magic spells, hymns, royal decrees. Then there is the literature per se: Didactic or "wisdom" literature -- Teachings, Laments, & discourses, along with fictional narratives such as "The Shipwrecked Sailor" (which is a story within a story within a story & includes a fabulous snake!) or "Sinuhe" (an epic story of a man's journeying far from home...), "The Doomed Prince", and so on. A good beginning book on Egyptian writings in general, (although from the Middle Kingdom only), is "Voices from Ancient Egypt" by R.B. Parkinson. Other standards are "Ancient Egyptian Literature" in 3 volumes by M. Lichtheim, and "The Literature of Ancient Egypt" edited by W.K. Simpson. This is an area which is totally ignored by popular tv shows, & it is truly a pity, as it is from the literature that -- IMHO -- the Egyptians can best be heard. - --Kasia ------------------------------ From: "Robert Mason" Date: Wed, 28 Jun 95 12:01:45 Subject: Access Hello all. I must say that I have been interested by the flood of mail on two subjects, one that television producers do not have accurate information in their shows, and the second that any serious student of the ANE should have several languages under their belt. Has anyone else noticed the direct link between these phenomena? -- Rob Dr. Robert B. Mason West Asian Department Royal Ontario Museum 100 Queen's Park Toronto, M5S 2C6 Telephone: (416) 586-5696 FAX: (416) 586-5877 Internet: robm@rom.on.ca ------------------------------ From: cejo@midway.uchicago.edu (Charles E. Jones) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 12:21:30 -0500 Subject: Modern langs. and ANE Given the current thread, it seems appropriate to repeat what I've said a couple of times before on the list: As far as the administration of ANE is concerned, participants should communicate in this medium in any language they like. On the basis of the list of subscribers it is reasonable to assume that a large percentage of those inhabiting this space will be able to read English, French, German, Hebrew, Italian and Spanish. - -Chuck- ------------------------------ From: kadishg@bingsuns.cc.binghamton.edu Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 13:34:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Misc.Languages Let's hear it for Klingon. The dictionary for Klingon is already available. On Wed, 28 Jun 1995, Kasia & Malcolm & GYV wrote: > Hmmm, looks like I've opened a can of worms... > Of course SCHOLARS need to read whatever languages necessary for their > particular field, but that doesn't make it WRONG to translate works into > ANY (Spanish, Italian, Arabic, Russian, Chines, Zulu...) other language > to make it more accessible. Hornung's "Conceptions of God" being > translated into Engish only made it more accessible to more people -- > people who are not willing to devote their lives to the field, yet have > an interest in it. Is this so wrong? Should the attitude be that if > you don't read blah-blah language, then you don't deserve to have that > knowledge? and it shouldn't be translated? Nonsense. No wonder > Egyptology has the reputation of being elitist. > > I never said that people shouldn't publish in French or German, or > whatever their native tongue is (mine happens to be Polish), but if > somebody else wants to translate that article/book into more languages, > more power to him/her. I know that I can publish in Polish if I wish, I > also know that if I want anyone to read my article, I should publish it > in French, German, or English! > I never intended it to sound like everything should be written in > English. This would be ridiculous. Obviously it should all be written > in Klingon ;-) > --K > > ------------------------------ From: rellis@cc.brynmawr.edu (Richard S. Ellis) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 14:34:18 -0400 Subject: Re: Egyptian lit Kasia said: [deleted] >I am referring to the fact that although TV shows on let's say ancient >Greece, will mention Homer & the Odyssey, yet nary a word is said about >Egyptian literature. [deleted] This is an area which is totally ignored by popular tv shows, & it is truly a pity, as it is from the literature that -- IMHO -- the Egyptians can best be heard. Actually, the recent NBC show *did* quote briefly from a couple of Egyptian texts, including "the medical papyrus," and "love poems." Dick Ellis - -------------------------------------------------------- Richard S. Ellis rellis@brynmawr.edu Professor of Archaeology ph.: (610) 526-5343 (off.) Department of Classical and (610) 896-6189 (hm.) Near Eastern Archaeology fax.:(610) 526-7479 (off.) Bryn Mawr College 101 N. Merion Avenue Bryn Mawr, PA 19010-2899 ------------------------------ From: "Richard L. Goerwitz III" Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 12:56:35 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: Misc.Languages Somebody just posted a note about this, and I'd like to second him: ANE quotes are getting longer than the original material in some of our postings. To the offenders: if you don't know standard online conventions for quoting previous material, take a look at, say, the Usenet newusers' guidelines. Just stuffing entire postings at the end not only wastes bandwidth, but it looks amateurish, and can be confusing. - -- Richard L. Goerwitz *** *** goer@midway.uchicago.edu ------------------------------ From: cejo@midway.uchicago.edu (Charles E. Jones) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 17:43:46 -0500 Subject: NEH funding update The following item appered in ALAWON: ALA Washington Office Newsline Volume 4, Number 62 June 28, 1995 ALAWON (ISSN 1069-7799) is an irregular publication of the American Library Association Washington Office, 110 Maryland Avenue, N.E., Washington, DC 20002-5675. Internet: alawash@alawash.org; Phone: 202-547-4440; Fax: 202-547-7363 *************************************************************************** HOUSE APPROPRIATIONS ACTS ON NEA/NEH On Tuesday, June 27, the House Appropriations Committee acted on the FY96 Interior Appropriations bill. Appropriations for the National Endowment for the Arts held at the subcommittee level of $99 million, while the appropriations for the National Endowment for the Humanities was cut from $150 million to $99 million. Amendments to increase the proportion of grants given to state programs failed. The FY96 Interior Appropriations bill will be voted on by the full House sometime after the July 4 recess. ACTION NEEDED: Library supporters should continue to contact House members asking for a favorable vote for the Interior Appropriations Bill. After the bill passes the House it will be considered by the Senate Subcommittee on Interior of the Senate Appropriations Committee. Members of that subcommittee are: Senators Slade Gorton (R-WA), chair, Ted Stevens (R-AK), Thad Cochran (R-MS), Pete Domenici (R-NM), Mark Hatfield (R-OR), Conrad Burns (R-MT), Robert Bennett (R-UT), Connie Mack (R-FL), Robert Byrd (D- WV), Bennett Johnston (D-LA), Patrick Leahy (D-VT), Dale Bumpers (D-AR), Ernest Hollings (D-SC), Harry Reid (D-NV), Patty Murray (D-WA). It is important that the NEA, the NEH, and the Institute for Museum Services funding levels are increased from the House funding levels. *************************************************************************** ------------------------------ From: Peter Daniels Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 23:26:57 -0500 Subject: Spanish, Italian, etc. I was surprised by the following phenomena. I was able, with only high school Latin and lots of French, to read Garbini's Italian with little difficulty; but Diez-Macho's Spanish remains nearly impenetrable. As a linguist, of course I think of pre-Romance substrata; but have other English (or German?) speakers had a similar problem? - --Peter T. Daniels ------------------------------ From: Timothy Pepper Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 22:50:17 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Scholarships/Financial Aid for Near Eastern Studies As a high school senior seriously considering a major in Near Eastern Studies (with an emphasis on Ancient Egypt), I am very interested to know if there are any scholarships or financial aid available for undergraduate students in Near Eastern Studies. If anyone has information I'd be more than happy if he or she mailed it to my address (pepper@bvsd.k12.co.us). Thanks in advance, Tim Pepper - -\\- -\\- E-Mail: pepper@bvsd.k12.co.us peppert@ucsu.colorado.edu World Wide Web Page: http://bvsd.k12.co.us/~pepper/pepper.html http://ucsu.colorado.edu/~peppert/Home.html - -\\- -\\- ------------------------------ From: Michael D Hildenbrand Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 22:21:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Spanish, Italian, etc. I was also surprised that I could read a considerable amount of Italian having only French under my belt-even without a dictionary! However, now that I have a dictionary, it is *much* easier. Now if I could only find a nice Dutch dictionary on sale! Under His Mercy, Michael Hildenbrand echad@uclink.berkeley.edu On Wed, 28 Jun 1995, Peter Daniels wrote: > > I was surprised by the following phenomena. I was able, with only high school > Latin and lots of French, to read Garbini's Italian with little difficulty; > but Diez-Macho's Spanish remains nearly impenetrable. As a linguist, of course > I think of pre-Romance substrata; but have other English (or German?) speakers > had a similar problem? > --Peter T. Daniels > ------------------------------ End of Ancient Near East Digest V2 #108 *************************************** Back issues are available by two means: anonymous FTP at oi.uchicago.edu in pub/ane/ OR on the World Wide Web (WWW) at ftp://oi.uchicago.edu/pub/ane/